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Taiki

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EOD Summary Friday

A normal day, Did 4 trades, 2 in loss and 2 in profit. I am happy for today I executed most of my plans perfectly, except for few while exiting. Out of the 2 loosing trades, for one I had my target1 achieved. And as per the rule I should have moved the TSL to break-even. And out of two profiting trades exited one little early. And missed one short signal for my order did not get executed.

Anyway ended the day in green, Net gain = +12 points

Regards
Taiki
 

Taiki

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@Taiki, I think now its my turn to spoil your thread :D

Here are some Income TAX queries. As filing Tax Returns date comes very close, need this info, thanks in advance:

1. For a salaried person with FNO trades and some equity delivery and equity intraday (which will be speculative income), should one fill ITR-4 or ITR-4S or anything else?

2. Can the profit or loss calculated in a very simple way such as during the FY 12-13 : Total money Credited to trading account during 01Apr2012 to 31Mar2013) - MINUS - (Balance on 31st March 2013)
OR do we have to note each trade and give detailed Profit/loss statement and then arrive at this figure?

3. If one has purchased Laptop & internet, can he show these as business expenses (loss)?

4. What about fees paid to some TA course and subscriptions for TIPS provider services : Can these be considered as business expense (loss)?

5. Account opening fees and annual DMat Charges: Can they be considered as business loss?

6. in ITR-4, do we need to fill in all the trade details or just profit/loss figure and keep the details for any query etc?

Regards,
Gaur_Krishna

Hi Gaur_Krishna

I am sorry, I have no idea on taxation matters. Yeah, now since I have made trading as my profession, I need to take care of this, but I am not sure. And I think we need to apply this by 2014 April. Am I right ??

I was thinking the same, so have not considered it so far, thinking time is there. Please correct me if i am wrong.

Regards
Taiki
 
Hi Gaur_Krishna

I am sorry, I have no idea on taxation matters. Yeah, now since I have made trading as my profession, I need to take care of this, but I am not sure. And I think we need to apply this by 2014 April. Am I right ??

I was thinking the same, so have not considered it so far, thinking time is there. Please correct me if i am wrong.

Regards
Taiki
You need to consider if you are liable to pay advance tax, if not then it will be July '14, but then you cannot wait till then to find out . . .
better consult a professional now (CA or Tax Consultant)

@ Gaur_Krishna, if you plan to carry loss (or show less than 8% as income) from trading business, then need to get your accounts audited,
again in your case, you need to consult a professional for the same

:) Happy
 
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Yes don't know anything about day trading and just 2 years and just making 30% of the moves and afford to pay 10K plus data for e-signal.
I am small time trader who uses the default chart that comes with the trading terminal and with other business activities to take care and not sound in order flow analysis.May be super trader or Raunak should be able to tell you reaching 300% of the move.
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Taiki

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EOD Summary for Monday

A bad day, Did 4 trades and lost 18 points. All trades went into loss. :(

Initial bias for the day was negative, and market opened with small gap down, 1st trade was correct as per that. But market kept rising and SL got hit.

But when Nifty crossed 6040, initial assumption of short trade failed, and new setup formed for long. But I held on to the short bias and for this second trade went into loss. Recognizing this i did not touch the market for some time, and missed the rally from 6040 to 6070. This was the perfect buy setup
Frustration added up and then went long near S/R level of 6070. And market reversed. 3rd trade went into loss

In last hour took last short trade but market was too volatile and hit the SL.

Over all I expected market to behave in my way and screwed the day. :annoyed::annoyed:

Net loss for the day = -18 points

So far with this system I have had 3 winning days and 3 loosing days and all the loosing day's has this one common reason i:e failed to change my setup as per the market directions. Need to kick this emotion out of me and stay in the market's direction. Looking forward to a better start today.

Regards
Taiki
 

TraderRavi

low risk profile
new setup formed for long. But I held on to the short bias
Regards
Taiki
dear taiki, this thing, when we refused to follow chart , and held onto our specific view/bias, is the difference between mechanical trading and discretionary trading , the dividing line between success and failure for daytrader (reason of my losses too)..............:mad:
but long term traders like prada do trade on their bias not the general market direction , but for that need big pockets, big SL and patience.
 
dear taiki, this thing, when we refused to follow chart , and held onto our specific view/bias, is the difference between mechanical trading and discretionary trading , the dividing line between success and failure for daytrader (reason of my losses too)..............:mad:
but long term traders like prada do trade on their bias not the general market direction , but for that need big pockets, big SL and patience.
some inspiring thoughts from the person who made 400% in zerodha challange.

Hello Guys,

People want to know my system, But to me, making Profit from markets is not about the system, Its about winning over your own emotions,its about the commitment, the determination and some motive behind it. Find some motive, give your sweat and blood to it, Success will come for sure.

I found my motive from somewhere - will tell you my story - When I was In 12th standard, I came to know about IIT, I dropped one year after 12th, joined one coaching institute, tried my best but couldn't go past preliminary round. Second Attempt means waiting for one more year.. So I joined a PVT Engg College in a city near my hometown. My dream was shattered. I knew that I was just near the success, but due to societal pressure, I didn't drop one more year and failed to get into IIT. Then came 3rd year of Engineering, I thought, Lets try IIM now :), wrote CAT.. couldn't crack it. I used to get good score in Quants in Mock Tests but my verbal was not up to the mark due to my schooling from small town. In the mean while I joined an IT company after finishing my college. After few years, I wrote CAT again that too when I was married, had daughter and had a home loan. But again couldn't crack :(

That unfulfilled desire to get into IIT/IIM was always there in some corner of my mind. Then One fine day I thought -"I am bad in verbal, so what.. but I am good in Quants, Let me work on my strength than to crib about my weakness. Moreover, Many of the Guys from IIT/IIM get into number crunching game and work as Investment banker only. Let me try something of this sort. So what - If I don't have formal degree" I knew that there is unlimited potential in financial markets which can be tapped.Why shouldn't I excel in this field to satisfy my burning desire to do something for which even IITian and IIM guy will look me with respect. I found my motive that day, and started working on my goal. I had trading account opened few years ago, which I had blown up a couple of times. I started trading again with my new motive to excel in this field.

One key point which I kept on reminding myself - "CAT/JEE aspirants have to wait for one year to improvise to write CAT or JEE exam again. You have this market open everyday. you can learn from your mistakes everyday. I was fully determined this time . No matter what - I wont give up." I had met one full time trader named Speculator("ichart handle") with help of Rainbow("Ichart handle"). There were many other examples ( to name a few, "Twist", "Jimmie" from icharts) who were working full time in trading. So I had the evidence that yes its possible to be profitable even if the odds are against the trader. I kept on working and working trying to learn something new everyday. In the process I started treating money as number, Yes its purely a number. Even its a money making game, Detachment from the money is necessary to win this game.

Many times I am up M2M with 50k-60k, while my TSL locks only 20k, I am ready to give back my 30-40k to the markets and wait for my stop loss to be hit. And many times, this 50-60k M2m reaches to 80k-100k M2M and my TSL moves up and locks up 50k, and then further M2M reaches 140k , My TSL locks up 100k. How many of us can do it comfortably. If we can do this and ready to give some paper profit back to market -> We can win this market over long run. That's why I said its not the system, its the winning over the emotions of greed and fear.

One Last piece of advice - Don't give up, There will be times when you will feel like giving up, but Just don't give up.The only problem with the Financial market is that "not giving up" means burning some more money.. But remember we can not just come and straight away making money from very first month. It took me 5-6 years to start making me money. So You have to understand that you will have to pay tuition fee. The cycle has to be completed.The steps are - Blow up your account for few times -> Break even for a couple of years - >Start making Profit. You can not directly jump to third step, no matter how many seminars you join, how many books you read.

Its my personal opinion is that - if one is ready to invest 5-6 years in this field and ready to blow up his account a number of times then only he should invest time and money in this. otherwise there are many other fields, where you can excel.

I believe that - One will be successful or not ? It just depends upon how strong one's desire is.

Having said all this - I am still a learner. There are many better traders than me who trade in Zerodha itself, but by God's grace I was given a chance to be profiled first. I have a very long way to go to become a better trader.

Happy Trading And All The Best

source- http://www.zerodha.com/z-connect/blog/view/software-engineer-up-400
 

Taiki

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dear taiki, this thing, when we refused to follow chart , and held onto our specific view/bias, is the difference between mechanical trading and discretionary trading , the dividing line between success and failure for daytrader (reason of my losses too)..............:mad:
but long term traders like prada do trade on their bias not the general market direction , but for that need big pockets, big SL and patience.
You are right Ravi bhai,

For me, when i choose this line, I told to myself, this is my ground and I have to accept it as it is. So ignoring what market is saying and holding onto what the idiot inside is speaking will proved to be dangerous everytime.

Regards
Taiki