Crudeoil Intradday Trades based on GANN Square 9 Strategy

hello rh6996 mam ,
i have read your all post and tried BB method. I have a observation in your method like you told open trade for short after green candle close over BB and red candle's close lower than open. use close value in gann calculator and get levels and open position as per levels.
I am doing Paper trade for 5+1 points by just using close of red candle after touching upear BB and getting target almost every time.
is it valid...............
 

Dax Devil

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Yes, thats how the intraday charts look!
DD, With my other activities having priority I can spend a limited and unfixed time to trade during day! Have for long been trying to develop some system to trade based on EOD charts. Wish to have a look at charts at Market open and close and give trades with tgt and SL ! Do you think its possible to trade this way in Metals or crude or precious metals or other energy product, in any commodity other than agri!?

If you say yes! , then do give some pointers to the direction in which I should travel looking for it, i.e. : MA cross, RSI, MACD ,BBands , stochastics etc.

Another thing , if you can guide : Is it possible to do Algo traind in commodities based on just BBands? :p
A few weeks back I posted a statastical finding in the Strong Trading Mind thread, proving that spending little and irregular time on trading is THE Best thing for profits. So you are lucky to have limited and unfixed time for trading. :)

Trades based on EOD or weekly are the best. But EOD's OHLC figures won't get you far. Thing is those figures are extermes, don't tell you the true range nor the momentum. For that you have to see the preceding candles, their pattern, their place w.r.t the overall structure of a given instrument, not to forget the volume. That is real TA by the way.

I can't comment on MACD, RSI etc. as I don't use any fancy flim flam indicators to figure out what market is upto. To me, they are like makeup on the face of a woman which hinders the true smell of her breath, know what I mean.

Algo won't work if you are planning to do EOD based trading. It is good in narrow rangebound, high vix price action that props up now and then in intraday session. In EOD or higher TF the range bars are so in-your-face kind of visual that one doesn't need automation in making trading decision.

Can't comment on BB either. Never used them. But there is member on this forum, Columbus, who apparently is BB expert. Try him.
 

Dax Devil

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Hi All,
I am doing good with this BB method on crude intraday. But i can trade only after 7 PM due to my day job. I want to ask if it good time to trade after 7 PM or i have to go to web for charting purpose in day.

thanks:)
Crude is US driven instruement, friend, so the real action in it happens after 7! And real action comes with real bada$$ volatility too, don't forget. If you are comfortable in doing multiple trades, getting in and out, then after 7 is good.
 

rh6996

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hello rh6996 mam ,
i have read your all post and tried BB method. I have a observation in your method like you told open trade for short after green candle close over BB and red candle's close lower than open. use close value in gann calculator and get levels and open position as per levels.
I am doing Paper trade for 5+1 points by just using close of red candle after touching upear BB and getting target almost every time.
is it valid...............
I have stopped using gann ! Using simply BB ! Whatever works for you is good for you! So dont try to copy me or others! Keep trading your own trades will guide you ashish! Do it consistently! :thumb:
 

hmp

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Hi RH mam
Nowadays once you entered in trade you are no more using Gann square. so I would like to know how you decide on entry & stop loss?
Regards
 
Both BB & Gann are good...infact, any trading set up is good if you are comfortable. Most important thing is discipline. From 5000, i earned around 40000 in two weeks aftr reading few posts by RH. After 2 weeks, I forgot the discipline part and became over confident and hence started playing with 5-7 lots recklessley. RESULT??? Lost 36000 in a day :(

Discipline is the key here. Forget BB (need chart), even Gann can give you atleast 10 -15 points daily.
 

rh6996

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Sammy Y has replied what I would! Thanks.
Yes, discipline is the key. I use BB and no Gann, very initially I was using Gann on the levels of candle touching the BB top or bottom. Gradually I realised that my target was just 10 points and can simplify my set up so dropped Gann.

Ashish, as I said before, you start getting the hang of it as you continue to trade. Its good to look at price moves that breach the Upper BB and then revert to the MA. Mostly they give us our small target. However now I at times do not strictly want the Upper BB to be breached in a few situations : Say, BB has widened , price moves say within a point or two of the Upper BB and then reverts to move towards the mean, I take short trade. Though I advocate that initially WAIT for the candle to breach the upper BB just to test your resolve not to trade till it does, to harden your discipline.
My Entry Stop Loss is 20 points or high of the candle touching the upper BB plus filter , which ever is more but I change it rapidly as the trade progresses.

HMP, with my limited Technical analysis knowledge, let me try to explain my strategy :

BBs are volatality based indicators where price move to extremes and revert to the 'mean' which in this case is the 20 period MA used for plotting the deviation bands! Price moves in its direction up or down and continues the move till it faces resistance ! Then it tends to move towards the mean. We need to catch this move towards the mean as early. When the price touches the upper band we are looking for a price to close inside the band. If the price continues in its direction we are waiting, when it shows exhaustion we enter the trade and take our target. As our target is small we have more profitable trades than loosing ! So for me price keeps its direction till it is walking the band, and when it leaves the band and move towards the MA, we latch on to it for a short journey of 10 points!
Though did not mention it here just not to complicate the system, but I do use the MA too in a failure trade to minimise or reverse my trade.
My suggestion would still be : If you are convinced looking at historical charts that you can make 10 points in crude in a day, trade it for just 10 points only for 10 sessions ! Trade it for 10 points but track the RT chart full time and note the other trades on paper. Watch how the BBs are behaving, what is your reaction to the price moves. If by end of 10 sessions you successfully traded 10 points and paper traded another minimum ten more, for next 20 sessions trade for 20 points (10X2 trades) and continue with your paper trade exercise. If not successful revert back to trading just 10 points a day for 10 sessions and so on!

If successful in trading 20 sessions for 20 points for next 10 sessions trade ALL trades you see ! Check yourself, are you comfortable trading full time, or less, all this analysis shall be individual's own ! Amend your trade timing , trade numbers as per your own comfort level.

In short, move like a marathon runner and not like a 100 meter sprint! Increase your pace gradually and if at any time you feel exhausted because you took off fast, return to the starting point to start the race all over again at a most leisurly pace! :p

Discipline is the key !
 

ashu1234

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Both BB & Gann are good...infact, any trading set up is good if you are comfortable. Most important thing is discipline. From 5000, i earned around 40000 in two weeks aftr reading few posts by RH. After 2 weeks, I forgot the discipline part and became over confident and hence started playing with 5-7 lots recklessley. RESULT??? Lost 36000 in a day :(

Discipline is the key here. Forget BB (need chart), even Gann can give you atleast 10 -15 points daily.
Kudos that you achieved that feat!!
Yes that much amount was doable with the recent movement, been there....seen that, and seen everyone doing that....scaling up screwing people all these years. So came to conclusion set reasonable target, its something psychological that happens to almost anyone things start getting worse when you scale up, may be you get more bold when you have too much money to back you up with your previous trade but end result is after reaching a top, downtrend of profit starts, may be a break can be a good idea after good winning streaks. But anyway its traders destiny in his own hand and people blame it on market and operators. Honestly I have stopped taking trades on few accounts when 20-30 points daily quota is over, I know I can make it even 40 points more but I kill my urge, and play games or watch something to stay away. It feels depressing when you see market moving 100 points in front of you and you are content with only 10 or 20, but that's how it is, more you run more you loose.
 

rh6996

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Kudos that you achieved that feat!!
Yes that much amount was doable with the recent movement, been there....seen that, and seen everyone doing that....scaling up screwing people all these years. So came to conclusion set reasonable target, its something psychological that happens to almost anyone things start getting worse when you scale up, may be you get more bold when you have too much money to back you up with your previous trade but end result is after reaching a top, downtrend of profit starts, may be a break can be a good idea after good winning streaks. But anyway its traders destiny in his own hand and people blame it on market and operators. Honestly I have stopped taking trades on few accounts when 20-30 points daily quota is over, I know I can make it even 40 points more but I kill my urge, and play games or watch something to stay away. It feels depressing when you see market moving 100 points in front of you and you are content with only 10 or 20, but that's how it is, more you run more you loose.
Thats good ashu! Stop worrying about the 100 points run after you exit at 30/40 !
Its something like boarding a train to Mumbai from New Delhi with a ticket upto Vadodara ! You need to get down at Vadodara and expect the train to reach Mumbai but that is not your lookout after you detrained. Why feel depressed to see the train continue the journey, we achieved/ reached our station and our journey ends there. However if you continue the journey on train, expect to pay fine and penalty ! :p So better get off at your predestined station and be happy about it !
 

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