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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Many asked questions about operators and manupulators. They are not aliens from some outer space...they are traders like us but they operate in cartel.Some of the manupulations they do are as under :

1) Front Running : This is the most common and most simple manupulation.Operators have contacts with dealing rooms of brokers handling FII orders and they get to know which institution is buying/selling what today. They then take positions in advance and when the institution orders hit the market, suppose it is a large sell order, then prices drop and then these operators cover their short positions. Many will argue that FII brokers keep strict vigilance and they are not allowed to communicate fron the dealing room but this is plain false...news always gets leaked with FII name and the qty which they want to sell etc...This is a crime in US but in India it is a common everyday practice.

There are many others ...I will just name a few of the manupulations:

2) Circular Trading or "scrip chalana" in local parlance.

3) Insider Information. It is so rampart that in India 70% of big deals trading is on insider information.

4) Supporting the price : Do you know that some large industrial houses have separate dealing rooms to support the prices of their company stocks ?

5) Bull Traps and Bear Squeeze : The most remembered one was when a large bear operator who hammered a Petro company's stock before its public issue was squeezed by the company management and forced to cover at huge loss . Many old timers will know this case.

6) Concentrated Hammering : This was more used when we had open outcry system at various stock exchanges located at different parts of the country.

Apart from the above, espionage, spreading roumers and many other types of manupulation takes place regularly.

But remember that the operators walk with the heavy boots and they leave their footprints in the sand by way of volumes. So just observe price and volumes.

Smart_trade
 
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Sorry to intrude

but to all sirs;

first day at traderji ....

Bouncer...bouncer ...nothing but bouncer...

Smart trade sir .. It seems that you are an erudite; you must be looking like a professor... Your understanding about the market seems to be par excellence. The person that exudes power of knowledge.

I know where should i look for my eldrado

regards,
-ranjit
 
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Sorry to intrude

but to all sirs;

first day at traderji ....

Bouncer...bouncer ...nothing but bouncer...

Smart trade sir .. It seems that you are an erudite; you must be looking like a professor... Your understanding about the market seems to be par excellence. The person that exudes power of knowledge.

I know where should i look for my eldrado

regards,
-ranjit
Hello Ranjit,

Thanks for the kind words, and a warm welcome to the forum and this thread.

Best Wishes,

Smart_trade
 
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Hello Ranjit,

Thanks for the kind words, and a warm welcome to the forum and this thread.

Best Wishes,

Smart_trade
You are Welcome sir... I just happened to meet one of the trainer. the nse hire him to conduct the classes for technical analysis. all the bba students-pursuing BBA-fm nse endorse to train the manpower for capital market. I just thought your write up for operators and that sir's lecture was so similar. no no I am not saying any plagiarism here. our physics teacher used to say knowledge is to find the real truth...be it any field. understanding the market seems to be also a kind of quest ..like finding the truth... and it seems all universal...like shashwat satya...
I am a JAAT by cast.. so pardon me for my language if its not appropriate.

Thanks again
-Ranjit
 
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

your loss doesn't have limits but gain do have........what if nifty went to 10000(if lalu prasad is declared as prime minister candidate) or 4000(if mulayam singh is chosen for prime minister nomination or what ever it is) as depicted by Elliot broking house :rofl:........ :D
Sir,
any reason why you think so high of Lalu ?
 

pratapvb

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

my simplest view of the trend in NF

Tan band (30-13) is the main trend and pale green band (6-13) confirms whether we are aligned to the main trend or in pb of main trend

as per this morning we were sideways in tan and just before 12pm it broke to the up putting us in UT...that big dip around 2pm did not sustaing below the pale green band and went on to resume the main trend after a small sideways in pale green

 

pratapvb

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

similary bnf view of trend 3-13 and 15-13

 
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Dear Novice,

Just for the sake of argument what if the market makes new high - say 6500 - 6600 - 6700 or doesn't reverse at all till the 3rd quarter results - Infy results are declared.(May be 2nd week of Jan).

Best of luck.
It is very much possible for market to hit 6500/6600 in long term. Check weekly or daily charts connecting the resistance line from 13th&20th of Feb 2012, 21st&28th of Jan 2013 to 13th&20th week of May 2013 and extend it to 2014. Another possibility of touching the resistance line in 2014. Week of 10th December 2012 and 9th December 2013 failed touching the resistance line.
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manishchan

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Definitely a great explanation with awesome tips. Thank u very much ! :)
You got me wrong. If we are long , we go on booking profits at important resistance points. And on dips we enter long again. We dont wait for market to drop 30 points.....30 points is too much to risk. But on trend days ( let us take uptrend example) most of the dips will be shallow or small sideways action.

Another point to note is when we book profits and the market does not give us an opportunity to enter again at lower levels but we have to enter at higher levels than the level where we booked profits means that the market in in strong uptrend mode....so dont expect deep corrections.

There is one exception to the above. We can observe this on most strong days and is one of my favourite plays. Just before last 1 hour that means just before 2:30 there will be a deep correction which most bulls will be stopped out.(Many traders are aware of this phenomenon and these traders call it 2:30 factor) It is for shaking the weak bulls and throwing them out before the end play starts. Here bulls loose their long positions. This is where I use my 30 points thumb rule.I will not hold my long positions in that 30 points dip....I will probably book profits much earlier. But when the 2 O'clock correction goes to 15-20 points, what I do is I buy from 15 points from the top till 20 points from the top...and keep my stoploss at 30 points from the top ( can use some nearby pivots also ). So on my first buy I risk 15 points and on next lots 10 points..if the stops are hit, I will loose that. But if the uptrend continues after shaking out the bulls, then the last 1 hour the market accelerates. This is what happened on Friday.When the market takes out the high after this deep correction, it is almost certain that it will trend up till the end so buy every dip now, but now market wont give many chances as it has to do all the move in last 1 hour. This play gives almost 4:1 Reward to risk ratio and is one of my favourite trades.

I have just poured my thoughts above...not sure whether it explains the process clearly.

Smart_trade
 

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