Day Trading Stocks & Futures

sudoku1

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Thursday, after the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA) approved the proposal of the bank for an increase in foreign investment in the bank from 49 per cent to 62 per cent.

Why did Axis bank rallied alone?/???????//??:mad::mad:d::mad::mad::mad::mad:
if u can spot TR in dis heap, i wil think abt lending a helping hand fr u on dat front.:D
 

Tlahuicole

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

yes u r right , I will look into it .
I trade very aggresively, time to trade defensively.
risk reward etc and ST's post yesterday was real good with three points in it to ponder upon.
Ravibhai, if you are a technical trader, read one technical trading to fill the gap you think you have in your trading skill, like profit taking part, entry part, exit part, identifying risk/reward trades, or any technical indicator you can chosee and keep on digging it by reading a lot on it. You can read elliot wave, many say that its a wonderful thing for swing trading, another technical indicator for day trading is bollinger band, its also very good to identify when market goes in to ranges and is a part of trading plan that can be constructed to trading ranges. Why am saying this? Because you said you are gonna take 5 days off from trading and a trader can never be away from his charts if he has nothing more interesting to do, so try this part, please don't mistake me, just wanted to make sure a fellow trader never gets demotivated over losses.
 

Tlahuicole

Well-Known Member
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Things to evaluate before 2014 starts :D,

Identify the stage you are,

come upon a new indicator you'll be ecstatic that this is the
one that will make all the difference.
You will test out automated systems on Metatrader, you'll play with moving
averages, Fibonacci lines, support & resistance, Pivots, Fractals, Divergence, DMI,
ADX, and a hundred other things all in the vein hope that your 'magic system' starts
today. You'll be a top and bottom picker, trying to find the exact point of reversal
with your indicators and you'll find yourself chasing losing trades and even adding to
them because you are so sure you are right.
You'll go into the live chat room and see other traders making pips and you want to
know why it's not you - you'll ask a million questions, some of which are so dumb
that looking back you feel a bit silly. You'll then reach the point where you think all
the ones who are calling pips after pips are liars - they can’t be making that amount
because you've studied and you don't make that, you know as much as they do and
they must be lying. But they're in there day after day and their account just grows
whilst yours falls.
You will be like a teenager - the traders that make money will freely give you advice
but you're stubborn and think that you know best - you take no notice and overtrade
your account even though everyone says you are mad to - but you know better.
You'll consider following the calls that others make but even then it wont work so
you try paying for signals from someone else - they don't work for you either.
You might even approach a 'guru' like Rob Booker or someone on a chat board who
promises to make you into a trader (usually for a fee of course). Whether the guru is
good or not you won’t win because there is no replacement for screen time and you
still think you know best.
This step can last ages and ages - in fact in reality talking with other traders as well
as personal experience confirms that it can easily last well over a year and more
nearer 3 years. This is also the step when you are most likely to give up through
sheer frustration.
Around 60% of new traders die out in the first 3 months - they give up and this is
good - think about it - if trading was easy we would all be millionaires. another 20%
keep going for a year and then in desperation take risks guaranteed to blow their
account which of course it does.
What maysuprise you is that of the remaining 20% all of them will last around 3
years - and they will think they are safe in the water - but even at 3 years only a
further 5-10% will continue and go on to actually make money consistently.
By the way - they are real figures, not just some I’ve picked out of my head - so
when you get to 3 years in the game don’t think its plain sailing from there.
I’ve had many people argue with me about these timescales - funny enough none of
them have been trading for more that 3 years - if you think you know better then
ask on a board for someone who's been trading 5 years and ask them how long it
takes to become fully 100% proficient. Sure i guess there will be exceptions to the
rle - but i havent met any yet.
Eventually you do begin to come out of this phase. You've probably committed more
time and money than you ever thought you would, lost 2 or 3 loaded accounts and
all but given up maybe 3 or 4 times but now its in your blood
One day – In a split second moment you will enter stage 3.
Step 3 - The Eureka Moment

Towards the end of stage two you begin to realize that it's not the system that is
making the difference. You realize that its actually possible to make money with a
simple moving average and nothing else IF you can get your head and money
management right You start to read books on the psychology of trading and identify
with the characters portrayed in those books and finally comes the eureka moment.
This eureka moment causes a new connection to be made in your brain. You
suddenly realise that neither you, nor anyone else can accurately predict what the
market will do in the next ten seconds, never mind the next 20 mins.
Because of this revelation you stop taking any notice of what anyone thinks - what
this news item will do, and what that event will do to the markets. You become an
individual with your own method of trading
You start to work just one system that you mould to your own way of trading, you're
starting to get happy and you define your risk threshold.
You start to take every trade that your 'edge' shows has a good probability of
winning with. When the trade turns bad you don't get angry or even because you
know in your head that as you couldn't possibly predict it it isn't your fault - as soon
as you realise that the trade is bad you close it . The next trade or the one after it or
the one after that will have higher odds of success because you know your system
works.
You stop looking at trading results from a trade-to-trade perspective and start to
look at weekly figures knowing that one bad trade does not a poor system make.
You have realised in an instant that the trading game is about one thing -
consistency of your 'edge' and your discipline to take all the trades no matter what
as you know the probabilities stack in your favour.
You learn about proper money management and leverage - risk of account etcetc -
and this time it actually soaks in and you think back to those who advised the same
thing a year ago with a smile. You weren't ready then, but you are now. The eureka
moment came the moment that you truly accepted that you cannot predict the
market.
Step 4 - Conscious Competence

You are making trades whenever your system tells you to. You take losses just as
easily as you take wins You now let your winners run to their conclusion fully
accepting the risk and knowing that your system makes more money than it looses
and when you're on a loser you close it swiftly with little pain to your account
You are now at a point where you break even most of the time - day in day out, you
will have weeks where you make 100 pips and weeks where you lose 100 pips -
generally you are breaking even and not losing money. You are now conscious of the
fact that you are making calls that are generally good and you are getting respect
from other traders as you chat the day away. You still have to work at it and think
about your trades but as this continues you begin to make more money than you
lose consistently.
You'll start the day on a 20 pip win, take a 35 pip loss and have no feelings that
you've given those pips back because you know that it will come back again. You will
now begin to make consistent pips week in and week out 25 pips one week, 50 the
next and so on.
This lasts about 6 months
Step Five - Unconscious Competence

Now we’re cooking - just like driving a car, every day you get in your seat and trade
- you do everything now on an unconscious level. You are running on autopilot. You
start to pick the really big trades and getting 200 pips in a day doesnt make you any
more excited that getting 1 pips.
You see the newbies in the forum shouting 'go dollar go' as if they are urging on a
horse to win in the grand national and you see yourself - but many years ago now.
This is trading utopia - you have mastered your emotions and you are now a trader
with a rapidly growing account.
You're a star in the trading chat room and people listen to what you say. You
recognise yourself in their questions from about two years ago. You pass on your
advice but you know most of it is futile because they're teenagers - some of them
will get to where you are - some will do it fast and others will be slower - literally
dozens and dozens will never get past stage two, but a few will.
Trading is no longer exciting - in fact it's probably boring you to bits - like everything
in life when you get good at it or do it for your job - it gets boring - you're doing
your job and that's that.
Finally you grow out of the chat rooms and find a few choice people who you
converse with about the markets without being influenced at all.
All the time you are honing your methods to extract the maximum profit from the
market without increasing risk. Your method of trading doesn’t change - it just gets
better - you now have what women call 'intuition'
You can now say with your head held high "I'm a currency trader" but to be honest
you don’t even bother telling anyone - it's a job like any other.
I hope you’ve enjoyed reading this journey into a traders mind and that hopefully
you’ve identified with some points in here.
Remember that only 5% will actually make it - but the reason for that isn’t ability, its
staying power and the ability to change your perceptions and paradigms as new
information comes available.
The losers are those who wanted to 'get rich quick' but approached the market and
within 6 months put on a pair of blinkers so they couldn’t see the obvious - a kind of
"this is the way i see it and thats that" scenario - refusing to assimilate new
information that changes that perception.
I’m happy to tell you that the reason i started trading was because of the 'get rich
quick' mindset. Just that now i see it as 'get rich slow'
If you’re thinking about giving up i have one piece of advice for you ....
Ask yourself the question "how many years would you go to college if you knew for a
fact that there was a million dollars a year job at the end of it?
Take care and good trading to you all.
I left of the name of the author of this piece by mistake. If anyone knows
the name of the true author, please let me know and I'll add it here. Thanks
and sorry for the confusion.
“A trading for living extract”…

The next is also from another source from traderji only, not sure who it is,

38 steps to becoming a trader

They are as follows:

1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realise we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence. Fear starts setting in.
8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more information.
12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress.
13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge than we anticipated.

MOST PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP AT THIS POINT, AS THEY REALISE WORK IS INVOLVED.

15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realise that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate when we execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow the rules.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear) and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and our trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account
continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.

Most traders will identify with this list and should be able to place themselves within these steps. Keep in mind that very few people progress through these steps in an orderly fashion. Developing your trading skills is an iterative process. For example, you may reach Step 13., find that although you were making money, your basic premise for trading was flawed (you might have been benefiting from the bull market, rather than your own trading prowess and then have been rudely awakened when the market entered a bear phase) and you may drop back to Step 4. and start 'climbing' the steps again. Having the proper mindset, attitude and psychological makeup becomes increasingly important as you progress through the steps. The focus
of the earlier steps is on external issues, i.e. developing proficiency in the mechanics of trading while the focus of the latter steps (particularly from Step 30, on) is on internal issues, i.e. improving ourselves mentally and psychologically, maturing as
traders.
 

Einstein

Well-Known Member
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Things to evaluate before 2014 starts :D,

Identify the stage you are,

come upon a new indicator you'll be ecstatic that this is the
one that will make all the difference.
You will test out automated systems on Metatrader, you'll play with moving
averages, Fibonacci lines, support & resistance, Pivots, Fractals, Divergence, DMI,
ADX, and a hundred other things all in the vein hope that your 'magic system' starts
today. You'll be a top and bottom picker, trying to find the exact point of reversal
with your indicators and you'll find yourself chasing losing trades and even adding to
them because you are so sure you are right.
You'll go into the live chat room and see other traders making pips and you want to
know why it's not you - you'll ask a million questions, some of which are so dumb
that looking back you feel a bit silly. You'll then reach the point where you think all
the ones who are calling pips after pips are liars - they can’t be making that amount
because you've studied and you don't make that, you know as much as they do and
they must be lying. But they're in there day after day and their account just grows
whilst yours falls.
You will be like a teenager - the traders that make money will freely give you advice
but you're stubborn and think that you know best - you take no notice and overtrade
your account even though everyone says you are mad to - but you know better.
You'll consider following the calls that others make but even then it wont work so
you try paying for signals from someone else - they don't work for you either.
You might even approach a 'guru' like Rob Booker or someone on a chat board who
promises to make you into a trader (usually for a fee of course). Whether the guru is
good or not you won’t win because there is no replacement for screen time and you
still think you know best.
This step can last ages and ages - in fact in reality talking with other traders as well
as personal experience confirms that it can easily last well over a year and more
nearer 3 years. This is also the step when you are most likely to give up through
sheer frustration.
Around 60% of new traders die out in the first 3 months - they give up and this is
good - think about it - if trading was easy we would all be millionaires. another 20%
keep going for a year and then in desperation take risks guaranteed to blow their
account which of course it does.
What maysuprise you is that of the remaining 20% all of them will last around 3
years - and they will think they are safe in the water - but even at 3 years only a
further 5-10% will continue and go on to actually make money consistently.
By the way - they are real figures, not just some I’ve picked out of my head - so
when you get to 3 years in the game don’t think its plain sailing from there.
I’ve had many people argue with me about these timescales - funny enough none of
them have been trading for more that 3 years - if you think you know better then
ask on a board for someone who's been trading 5 years and ask them how long it
takes to become fully 100% proficient. Sure i guess there will be exceptions to the
rle - but i havent met any yet.
Eventually you do begin to come out of this phase. You've probably committed more
time and money than you ever thought you would, lost 2 or 3 loaded accounts and
all but given up maybe 3 or 4 times but now its in your blood
One day – In a split second moment you will enter stage 3.
Step 3 - The Eureka Moment

Towards the end of stage two you begin to realize that it's not the system that is
making the difference. You realize that its actually possible to make money with a
simple moving average and nothing else IF you can get your head and money
management right You start to read books on the psychology of trading and identify
with the characters portrayed in those books and finally comes the eureka moment.
This eureka moment causes a new connection to be made in your brain. You
suddenly realise that neither you, nor anyone else can accurately predict what the
market will do in the next ten seconds, never mind the next 20 mins.
Because of this revelation you stop taking any notice of what anyone thinks - what
this news item will do, and what that event will do to the markets. You become an
individual with your own method of trading
You start to work just one system that you mould to your own way of trading, you're
starting to get happy and you define your risk threshold.
You start to take every trade that your 'edge' shows has a good probability of
winning with. When the trade turns bad you don't get angry or even because you
know in your head that as you couldn't possibly predict it it isn't your fault - as soon
as you realise that the trade is bad you close it . The next trade or the one after it or
the one after that will have higher odds of success because you know your system
works.
You stop looking at trading results from a trade-to-trade perspective and start to
look at weekly figures knowing that one bad trade does not a poor system make.
You have realised in an instant that the trading game is about one thing -
consistency of your 'edge' and your discipline to take all the trades no matter what
as you know the probabilities stack in your favour.
You learn about proper money management and leverage - risk of account etcetc -
and this time it actually soaks in and you think back to those who advised the same
thing a year ago with a smile. You weren't ready then, but you are now. The eureka
moment came the moment that you truly accepted that you cannot predict the
market.
Step 4 - Conscious Competence

You are making trades whenever your system tells you to. You take losses just as
easily as you take wins You now let your winners run to their conclusion fully
accepting the risk and knowing that your system makes more money than it looses
and when you're on a loser you close it swiftly with little pain to your account
You are now at a point where you break even most of the time - day in day out, you
will have weeks where you make 100 pips and weeks where you lose 100 pips -
generally you are breaking even and not losing money. You are now conscious of the
fact that you are making calls that are generally good and you are getting respect
from other traders as you chat the day away. You still have to work at it and think
about your trades but as this continues you begin to make more money than you
lose consistently.
You'll start the day on a 20 pip win, take a 35 pip loss and have no feelings that
you've given those pips back because you know that it will come back again. You will
now begin to make consistent pips week in and week out 25 pips one week, 50 the
next and so on.
This lasts about 6 months
Step Five - Unconscious Competence

Now we’re cooking - just like driving a car, every day you get in your seat and trade
- you do everything now on an unconscious level. You are running on autopilot. You
start to pick the really big trades and getting 200 pips in a day doesnt make you any
more excited that getting 1 pips.
You see the newbies in the forum shouting 'go dollar go' as if they are urging on a
horse to win in the grand national and you see yourself - but many years ago now.
This is trading utopia - you have mastered your emotions and you are now a trader
with a rapidly growing account.
You're a star in the trading chat room and people listen to what you say. You
recognise yourself in their questions from about two years ago. You pass on your
advice but you know most of it is futile because they're teenagers - some of them
will get to where you are - some will do it fast and others will be slower - literally
dozens and dozens will never get past stage two, but a few will.
Trading is no longer exciting - in fact it's probably boring you to bits - like everything
in life when you get good at it or do it for your job - it gets boring - you're doing
your job and that's that.
Finally you grow out of the chat rooms and find a few choice people who you
converse with about the markets without being influenced at all.
All the time you are honing your methods to extract the maximum profit from the
market without increasing risk. Your method of trading doesn’t change - it just gets
better - you now have what women call 'intuition'
You can now say with your head held high "I'm a currency trader" but to be honest
you don’t even bother telling anyone - it's a job like any other.
I hope you’ve enjoyed reading this journey into a traders mind and that hopefully
you’ve identified with some points in here.
Remember that only 5% will actually make it - but the reason for that isn’t ability, its
staying power and the ability to change your perceptions and paradigms as new
information comes available.
The losers are those who wanted to 'get rich quick' but approached the market and
within 6 months put on a pair of blinkers so they couldn’t see the obvious - a kind of
"this is the way i see it and thats that" scenario - refusing to assimilate new
information that changes that perception.
I’m happy to tell you that the reason i started trading was because of the 'get rich
quick' mindset. Just that now i see it as 'get rich slow'
If you’re thinking about giving up i have one piece of advice for you ....
Ask yourself the question "how many years would you go to college if you knew for a
fact that there was a million dollars a year job at the end of it?
Take care and good trading to you all.
I left of the name of the author of this piece by mistake. If anyone knows
the name of the true author, please let me know and I'll add it here. Thanks
and sorry for the confusion.
“A trading for living extract”…

The next is also from another source from traderji only, not sure who it is,

38 steps to becoming a trader

They are as follows:

1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realise we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence. Fear starts setting in.
8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more information.
12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress.
13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge than we anticipated.

MOST PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP AT THIS POINT, AS THEY REALISE WORK IS INVOLVED.

15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realise that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate when we execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow the rules.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear) and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and our trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account
continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.

Most traders will identify with this list and should be able to place themselves within these steps. Keep in mind that very few people progress through these steps in an orderly fashion. Developing your trading skills is an iterative process. For example, you may reach Step 13., find that although you were making money, your basic premise for trading was flawed (you might have been benefiting from the bull market, rather than your own trading prowess and then have been rudely awakened when the market entered a bear phase) and you may drop back to Step 4. and start 'climbing' the steps again. Having the proper mindset, attitude and psychological makeup becomes increasingly important as you progress through the steps. The focus
of the earlier steps is on external issues, i.e. developing proficiency in the mechanics of trading while the focus of the latter steps (particularly from Step 30, on) is on internal issues, i.e. improving ourselves mentally and psychologically, maturing as
traders.
 

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