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diosys

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This thread just gets better day by day, so many doubts clarified before I even encounter them myself :D

But still, a few doubts persist...

1) I'm not sure if the term is correct, but can I calculate taxable income of my futures trading simply by subtracting the "opening stock"(bank/broker balance on april 1st) from the "closing stock"(latest bank/broker balance)?

I ask because, I know it's business income and I can therefore deduct brokerage, STT and service tax(is that correct?) as business expenses. And the formula for deduction I believe is:

raw profit - raw loss - brokerage - stt - st - stamp duty - other business expences = actual profit or loss

But isn't that the exact formula the broker uses to calculate my daily "closing stock/balance"? Can I take a shortcut and just calculate using the broker's values?

2) My past auditor has made a mistake in not declaring MFs and govt bonds in previous balance sheets. Since these go all the way back to the Saral days, my current auditor says it's impossible to revise those returns. His suggestion is quite weird(next point), but what would you recommend I do?

3) My current auditor says that balance sheets aren't even required! He says that just paying the IT based on my income(minus any deductions) is enough. That sounds very strange to me, more so because I might fall under the 40L audit bracket.

Thanks in advance
1.) No.
1-04-08 - Balance - 100000
31-03-09 - Balance - 80000
means a loss of 20000 in between according to you ???

what about the positions bought after 01-04-08 and sold before 30-03-2009 ???

2. & 3. - Fire your Chartered Accountant !!! ;)... no just joking... actually i am more baffled by the second one...Mistakes are common so can be committed by all... how many times it might have happened instead of putting a buy order you put in a sell order (has happened with me at least) ...

but what the second one is stating is what i have been trying to drill into everyone's to NOT TO DO !!!

EVERYONE SHOULD MAINTAIN THEIR BOOKS OF ACCOUNTS PROPERLY & ACCURATELY !!!

at least maintain....drawing up of the balance sheet is secondary though that too should be done...

Just to give you all one simple fact....My daughter is 2 years old and i even prepare her books of accounts !!! be it just 5 entries in a year but they are prepared...

INSIST ON PREPARING YOUR BOOKS OF ACCOUNTS AND BALANCE SHEET....need not be an audited balance sheet (if not required) but should be made even if it means a few thousand bucks....


what i have said above is all practical...and even from current laws one is required to maintain books if the income is greater than 1.2L from business !!!

OK...now coming to your problem...technically your returns cannot be revised BUT these balance sheets were they filed along with your returns and where they audited ???

these questions if answer is negative then its ok to change the balance sheets otherwise after your reply to them lets see if a solution is possible....
 
1.) No.
1-04-08 - Balance - 100000
31-03-09 - Balance - 80000
means a loss of 20000 in between according to you ???

what about the positions bought after 01-04-08 and sold before 30-03-2009 ???
Assuming no open positions on 1 April or 31st March, wouldn't the final value according to my broker be the profit/loss for the whole year minus broke+stt+others for the whole year?

The Broker would calculate and deduct my brokerage and stt day by day, but if I added each column(profit,loss,brokerage,stt,etc) for the entire year then subrtracted, wouldn't the value still be the same?

2. & 3. - Fire your Chartered Accountant !!! ;)... no just joking... actually i am more baffled by the second one...Mistakes are common so can be committed by all... how many times it might have happened instead of putting a buy order you put in a sell order (has happened with me at least) ...
Embarrassingly...I've done it too, have also added extras zeros to quantity... :(

but what the second one is stating is what i have been trying to drill into everyone's to NOT TO DO !!!

EVERYONE SHOULD MAINTAIN THEIR BOOKS OF ACCOUNTS PROPERLY & ACCURATELY !!!

at least maintain....drawing up of the balance sheet is secondary though that too should be done...

Just to give you all one simple fact....My daughter is 2 years old and i even prepare her books of accounts !!! be it just 5 entries in a year but they are prepared...

INSIST ON PREPARING YOUR BOOKS OF ACCOUNTS AND BALANCE SHEET....need not be an audited balance sheet (if not required) but should be made even if it means a few thousand bucks....


what i have said above is all practical...and even from current laws one is required to maintain books if the income is greater than 1.2L from business !!!
Many thanks, Diosys. I'll have my auditor make up my balance sheet, or I'll make it up myself and have him verify it.

OK...now coming to your problem...technically your returns cannot be revised BUT these balance sheets were they filed along with your returns and where they audited ???

these questions if answer is negative then its ok to change the balance sheets otherwise after your reply to them lets see if a solution is possible....
Yes, the Balance sheet, Income expenditure account and total income statement were filed with the return. It's mentioned in the return as the "documents attached with the return".

But it doesn't seem to have been audited. No signature or name of the auditor anywhere in the return or Balance sheet or anywhere else. Does this mean it wasn't audited?
 

diosys

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Assuming no open positions on 1 April or 31st March, wouldn't the final value according to my broker be the profit/loss for the whole year minus broke+stt+others for the whole year?

The Broker would calculate and deduct my brokerage and stt day by day, but if I added each column(profit,loss,brokerage,stt,etc) for the entire year then subrtracted, wouldn't the value still be the same?



Embarrassingly...I've done it too, have also added extras zeros to quantity... :(



Many thanks, Diosys. I'll have my auditor make up my balance sheet, or I'll make it up myself and have him verify it.



Yes, the Balance sheet, Income expenditure account and total income statement were filed with the return. It's mentioned in the return as the "documents attached with the return".

But it doesn't seem to have been audited. No signature or name of the auditor anywhere in the return or Balance sheet or anywhere else. Does this mean it wasn't audited?
Ok...so one thing is clear now that it was not audited.

now tell me what is the name mentioned on top of the balance sheet.... I mean in what name is the balance sheet drawn up ???

See practically if this balance sheet is drawn up in some trade name (even if proprietorship) then it can be said that this is balance sheet for the business activities and the personal books are separate hence the bonds etc which got missed while filing your ITR can be incorporated in a new balance sheet which would be yours as a whole.... ;)
 
Diosys Sir do share the circular or ready reckoner of the current budget announced as soon as u prepared and shared last time Sir

I still have it on my screen even though 2 times my system crashed and i reinstalled all stuff...which means how important document is that...lolz

Also Sir

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-liable-to-wealth-tax/articleshow/5632686.cms

Here its mentioned every year your assets value need to be assessed ..But my CA says and uses the same value of land as mentioned in the year 2005 agreement when i bought the land for 12L...He says if the land value appreciates doesnt mean u have healthy income to pay wealth tax(or your family income is sound) and all stuff

Is it true?
 
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Ok...so one thing is clear now that it was not audited.

now tell me what is the name mentioned on top of the balance sheet.... I mean in what name is the balance sheet drawn up ???

See practically if this balance sheet is drawn up in some trade name (even if proprietorship) then it can be said that this is balance sheet for the business activities and the personal books are separate hence the bonds etc which got missed while filing your ITR can be incorporated in a new balance sheet which would be yours as a whole.... ;)
Wow, that's a very clever idea.

Unfortunately, it's in my name. Not under a business's name. :(
 

diosys

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Diosys Sir do share the circular or ready reckoner of the current budget announced as soon as u prepared and shared last time Sir

I still have it on my screen even though 2 times my system crashed and i reinstalled all stuff...which means how important document is that...lolz

Also Sir

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-liable-to-wealth-tax/articleshow/5632686.cms

Here its mentioned every year your assets value need to be assessed ..But my CA says and uses the same value of land as mentioned in the year 2005 agreement when i bought the land for 12L...He says if the land value appreciates doesnt mean u have healthy income to pay wealth tax(or your family income is sound) and all stuff

Is it true?
is this urban land ???

The circular i prepare after the finance bill is passed in the parliament....hence would upload it once it is notified as an act maybe sometime in may
 

diosys

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Wow, that's a very clever idea.

Unfortunately, it's in my name. Not under a business's name. :(
Oops....what is the quantum in terms of percentage to the total assets ???

If not much then nothing can be done except to introduce this asset this year after debiting the asset and crediting the capital account....this is only way out it seems now.
 

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