Going with the Intraday Mini-Flow!!

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No my friend never. Where is the concept of gap in intraday miniflow? Has resistance ever been defined here???? Why bring in these parameters????? Will lead to lots of grief!!!

Bee
Yes,agreed......personally don't have anything to do with supports and resistances or trendlines.Do take profits though at resistance lines in an uptrend,but only as an add on to many criteria that have already been discussed here.

So,no bringing out supports and resistance lines for entry and exits and drawing them all over the charts,etc ........and taking this thread to the hilarious nonsense spewed forth by certain analysts on our "esteemed" tv channels.

Great stuff,Bee!

Saint
 
Even I would like to have Saint's views on this.
As per my understanding till the time there is no hint of reversal from 30 or 60 min, would not have changed the SAR.
If the 15min charts breakdown at 11:55 am,and there is no confirmation from the 30 or 60,I would wait for another 5mins,and short below the low of the hourly bar.

Many times,it has protected us from unnecessary trades like today........but many times,we got in Rs15-20 later.

Great stuff,Kapil.....and yes,no changing of SAR till 30 or 60 gives hint of reversal as well.

Saint
 
Only backtesting can give you a morale boost...DO IT as soon as possible..on at least a years data:eek:
A gem of a post........looks common-sense,nothing to it......but in actuality,everything to it.

Backtest not just to get your filters right,to see if something works or not.......but knowing that something works most of the time gives us great confidence when we have to push the trigger button.

Thanks as always!

Saint
 
Revati,

Saint sir is not the indicator Revati :).
He already taught the plan and our duty is to stick to the plan.

Hari.
Great going Hari......and correctly said:There is the Plan,and then there is us adhering to the Plan.

Plan or Method or System whatever ......always most important than any one individual who trades it.

Saint
 
Saint this is the only grey left in my mind so far.

When I put up a reversal I look for pivots on 15/20 and 60...stops are then moved. Lately I have seen you using only 15/20 without the 60min confirming the reversal point.
Please find some time to explain when to include 60 in determining the reversal point. Reply after market when free..

Journey so far in the Miniflow has been great....Thank you...
Regards,
MJ-
MJ,

Running through the posts from last week till date that require an answer(1 week more than 1000posts!!).Not sure if I had already answered this doubt of yours.

If not already done so,.......Let us just run through a few things,a mini-revision.


10am:The first bar forms.We have only that one bar to work with.We look to enter Rs14 above the high for a long and Rs14 below the low for a short.Once entered,SAR is Rs7 from low(if long).

10:15am:Price goes sideways,SAR not hit.....we remain long(talking uptrends through this whole example).Price goes up.SARs remain where they are....nothing to be done.

10:30am:15min charts put in another HH-HL bar......30min charts put in a HH-HL bar as well.Nothing to be done.SARs reamin where they are.

10:45am:Mini-bearish bar forming on the 15min charts.....?Pivot.....Nothing to be done but hold.

11:00am:Newer highs on the 15min charts.....Higher Pivot low on the 15min charts.30min charts show up as another HH-HL bar.So too 60min charts.

ACTION:Raise stops to the pivot low using the 15min charts.........yep,no waiting for confirmation from higher TFs.Why?Simply because we don't have enough information from the higher TFs.

We are in essence trading the 5min bar at 10am,and then trading the 15min charts till 11 am,trading the 30min charts with help from the 60 and 15 till 3 pm,and then trading the 15min charts till 3:30pm.

So,till 11 am,if we get a pivot on the 15min charts,raise stops to that pivot.If there is no pivots on the 15min charts,wait for 30min charts to complete 4 bars at 11:30am.......The 2 bar method kicks in.After the 4th completed bar,every new bar high is enough to raise stops to 2 bars back.

If we get a situation where we get 5 multiple bars up to 11 am on the 15min charts,.......big monster move up,WRB et al,then and then only do we kick the 2 bar method into the 15min charts..........Again,because we have a huge bar on the 60 and 2 big bars on the 30 and SARs still miles back with no help from the higher TFs.Other than this obviously bullish or an obviously bearish scenario,with multiple WRBs........no bringing the 2 bar method into the 15min charts.

11am-3pm:If a move without pivots happen,then 2 bar method on 30min charts from 11:30am onwards.Pivots on 30 are what we are looking for and salivating over......A break above 30min Pivots is a no-brainer.Reverse it there and then.A break above pivots on the 15min charts need confirmation from the 60min or 30min charts.HH-HL is what we see on the 60min charts in an uptrend,simply a break below a previous low is not enough to go short......it needs confirmation from the 30 or 15.

An amalgamation between time frames is required for a reversal..........and another thing:We tend to forget(me included) that a reversal every day is not the norm.Rather there are more days when moves continue in its original direction ....2-3 reversal days ,one after another,and we are all ready to trigger a reversal at the nearest teenie-weenie l'il pivot on the 15min.

Failed breakout pattern:We have a pivot on the 30 or 60 and a WRB breakout followed by a bearish bar more than or equal to 50% of the range (open-close) of the WRB.Reverse if the following bar takes out the low of the bearish bar.

WRB at the end of an uptrend:Usually coupled with big volumes.Wait for the next bar to form.Short below the low of the 2nd bar.

Reversal bars(Candlestix):Topping tails after an uptrend on the 60min chart,etc

V shaped pattern:No pivots,and the 2 bar would help us reverse....

3:00-3:30pm:SARs adjusted as per the 15min charts if profits not taken off.

Saint
 

Sunil

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Hats-off to you, Saint Sir...
One can clearly observe the hard-word & dedication you have put into this thread & on posts like the above one, with no concern about the time of the day (or should I say, night).
This mini-revision clears nearly ALL the nitty-gritties of the system/method regarding "reversal pivot" identification. I hope now, besides "sticking & going" with the flow, one controls his/her eagerness to spot pivot bars (which anyone can do) and focus only on the appropriate "reversal pivot bars" AND at the appropriate TIME.
I hope everyone takes a print-out of the above post, and add it to the previous rules/illustrations, and approach the method now with a clearer, open mind & a more focused approach.

(PS: I sincerely hope this also puts an end to "me-first" pivot identification game, coming up without confirmations from higher TF charts, and even before the completion of the appropriate time, for overall confirmation.
Let's make it less chaotic & more methodical)
 

VJAY

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Wow sir,
What a great explanation.Crystal clear about reversal.I had so many legends of teachers in my school life.But sir, I put you above all the legend of teachers in my life
Thanks & Regards
VJAY
 
MJ,

Running through the posts from last week till date that require an answer(1 week more than 1000posts!!).Not sure if I had already answered this doubt of yours.

If not already done so,.......Let us just run through a few things,a mini-revision.


10am:The first bar forms.We have only that one bar to work with.We look to enter Rs14 above the high for a long and Rs14 below the low for a short.Once entered,SAR is Rs7 from low(if long).

10:15am:Price goes sideways,SAR not hit.....we remain long(talking uptrends through this whole example).Price goes up.SARs remain where they are....nothing to be done.

10:30am:15min charts put in another HH-HL bar......30min charts put in a HH-HL bar as well.Nothing to be done.SARs reamin where they are.

10:45am:Mini-bearish bar forming on the 15min charts.....?Pivot.....Nothing to be done but hold.

11:00am:Newer highs on the 15min charts.....Higher Pivot low on the 15min charts.30min charts show up as another HH-HL bar.So too 60min charts.

ACTION:Raise stops to the pivot low using the 15min charts.........yep,no waiting for confirmation from higher TFs.Why?Simply because we don't have enough information from the higher TFs.

We are in essence trading the 5min bar at 10am,and then trading the 15min charts till 11 am,trading the 30min charts with help from the 60 and 15 till 3 pm,and then trading the 15min charts till 3:30pm.

So,till 11 am,if we get a pivot on the 15min charts,raise stops to that pivot.If there is no pivots on the 15min charts,wait for 30min charts to complete 4 bars at 11:30am.......The 2 bar method kicks in.After the 4th completed bar,every new bar high is enough to raise stops to 2 bars back.

If we get a situation where we get 5 multiple bars up to 11 am on the 15min charts,.......big monster move up,WRB et al,then and then only do we kick the 2 bar method into the 15min charts..........Again,because we have a huge bar on the 60 and 2 big bars on the 30 and SARs still miles back with no help from the higher TFs.Other than this obviously bullish or an obviously bearish scenario,with multiple WRBs........no bringing the 2 bar method into the 15min charts.

11am-3pm:If a move without pivots happen,then 2 bar method on 30min charts from 11:30am onwards.Pivots on 30 are what we are looking for and salivating over......A break above 30min Pivots is a no-brainer.Reverse it there and then.A break above pivots on the 15min charts need confirmation from the 60min or 30min charts.HH-HL is what we see on the 60min charts in an uptrend,simply a break below a previous low is not enough to go short......it needs confirmation from the 30 or 15.

An amalgamation between time frames is required for a reversal..........and another thing:We tend to forget(me included) that a reversal every day is not the norm.Rather there are more days when moves continue in its original direction ....2-3 reversal days ,one after another,and we are all ready to trigger a reversal at the nearest teenie-weenie l'il pivot on the 15min.

Failed breakout pattern:We have a pivot on the 30 or 60 and a WRB breakout followed by a bearish bar more than or equal to 50% of the range (open-close) of the WRB.Reverse if the following bar takes out the low of the bearish bar.

WRB at the end of an uptrend:Usually coupled with big volumes.Wait for the next bar to form.Short below the low of the 2nd bar.

Reversal bars(Candlestix):Topping tails after an uptrend on the 60min chart,etc

V shaped pattern:No pivots,and the 2 bar would help us reverse....

3:00-3:30pm:SARs adjusted as per the 15min charts if profits not taken off.

Saint
Thanks a lot for these new clarifications for the rules.. Helped clear tons of doubts that had come into my understanding of the mini flow..

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