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Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Reversing to long at high of 11:00 bar was correct in my opinion. See that we had a PH on 15 min bar at 11:45.At the time of upward reversal,higher TF of 30 min was in agreement as it had 2 bullish bars by then . Also this PH was at 2649 and the 11:00 bar high on 60 min was only 6 points away at 2655.So reversing at 2655 plus space had PH on 15 and 60 min high getting taken out.Reversing at previous 60 min high is very much as per the rules we follow in this method.

But waiting for days high till then getting taken out as Bee says is also a good idea particularly in present choppy reversing too often times.But it will require change in system rules.


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beethoven

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Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Reversing to long at high of 11:00 bar was correct in my opinion. See that we had a PH on 15 min bar at 11:45.At the time of upward reversal,higher TF of 30 min was in agreement as it had 2 bullish bars by then . Also this PH was at 2649 and the 11:00 bar high on 60 min was only 6 points away at 2655.So reversing at 2655 plus space had PH on 15 and 60 min high getting taken out.Reversing at previous 60 min high is very much as per the rules we follow in this method.

But waiting for days high till then getting taken out as Bee says is also a good idea particularly in present choppy reversing too often times.But it will require change in system rules.


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ST my friend, I will now take this discussion to a different level - basic that is.

Any upward movement - here 4 smallish 30 min bars all making HH and HL will anyway make all TF's 15, 30 and 60 min green and signal a reversal.

Now power of Pivot break is something which is in basic nature of price movement and as per natural movement it will shoot up and continue to do in majority of the cases. A very close similar situation is WRB break. If these two situations are not satisfied we are statistically doomed for a failed trade.

If some people have reversed on 15/20 min pivot break of 2649 + room, it is ok as this is as per rules. A few points saved:).

Happy Trading

Bee
 

beethoven

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Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Views put up are just my thought process which I wanted to share here and use this forum as a sounding board. I thank ST for reacting with his views.:)

Moderator can delete any of the above posts of mine :) if they are in any way conflicting with the rules and norms laid down by Saint for this miniflow method and create confusion among my trader friends here.

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Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Thanks ST for replying on my behalf.....I came back here a bit late.

Agree with all the points you made, I have nothing more to add to that. But I would like to say a very simple and basic thing....we reverse when we get concrete evidence that the trend is reversing. And I got that evidence once the 60min high of 2655 taken out....supporting it was pivot on 15min (2649).

And I dont think we need to change the rules to cater to choppy markets, we never know in a day when it will start trending again.

Bee...nothing wrong in putting your views here. I too am learning. Just remember..this method is only 2 months old on TJ, so noone is a senior/junior in the method. I too am bound to make mistakes...so are you.

Thanks,
Rakesh
 
Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Thanks ST for replying on my behalf.....I came back here a bit late.

Agree with all the points you made, I have nothing more to add to that. But I would like to say a very simple and basic thing....we reverse when we get concrete evidence that the trend is reversing. And I got that evidence once the 60min high of 2655 taken out....supporting it was pivot on 15min (2649).

And I dont think we need to change the rules to cater to choppy markets, we never know in a day when it will start trending again.

Bee...nothing wrong in putting your views here. I too am learning. Just remember..this method is only 2 months old on TJ, so noone is a senior/junior in the method. I too am bound to make mistakes...so are you.

Thanks,
Rakesh
Thanks Bee, ST and Rakesh - the discussion is really helpful.
Request all you guys to keep up the good work... there are still so many things to learn.

Regards
Mowgli
 

beethoven

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Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Thanks Rakesh,

Right and wrong are very final in nature - black or white - whereas we are in shades of grey:). I do not wish to change the rules, guess I am not up to that level of proficiency.

1. taking the pivot break of 15/20 min is as per rules, no doubt on that
2. taking it above 10:30 am or 60 min hi is still not clear to me at least - if any example of Saint can be cited then I will be happy
3. waiting for SAR to hit at day's high was because I could not see any pivot on 30 TF to change that plus once a down move has been conclusive by breaking 5 min lo - room and we took the first short, any reversal can only be a pivot break on 30 TF or WRB or day's high. 15/20 min TF pivot break are not very reliable to my mind.

Lets see how this method evolves over time.

Bee
 
Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Bee and ST, I guess you both are right. We need both the confirmation i.e. break of pivot hi on 15 as well as break of 60 Min hi for reversal.

Here's how Saint quotes:

10am:The first bar forms.We have only that one bar to work with.We look to enter above the high for a long and below the low for a short.Once entered,SAR is low - filter(if long).

10:15am:price goes sideways,SAR not hit.....we remain long(talking uptrends through this whole example).Price goes up.SARs remain where they are....nothing to be done.

10:30am:15min charts put in another HH-HL bar......30min charts put in a HH-HL bar as well.Nothing to be done.SARs reamin where they are.

10:45am:Mini-bearish bar forming on the 15min charts.....?Pivot.....Nothing to be done but hold.

11:00am:Newer highs on the 15min charts.....Higher Pivot low on the 15min charts.30min charts show up as another HH-HL bar.So too 60min charts.

ACTION:Raise stops to the pivot low using the 15min charts.........yep,no waiting for confirmation from higher TFs.Why?Simply because we don't have enough information from the higher TFs.

We are in essence trading the 5min bar at 10am,and then trading the 15min charts till 11 am,trading the 30min charts with help from the 60 and 15 till 3 pm,and then trading the 15min charts till 3:30pm.

So,till 11 am,if we get a pivot on the 15min charts,raise stops to that pivot.If there is no pivots on the 15min charts,wait for 30min charts to complete 4 bars at 11:30am.......The 2 bar method kicks in.After the 4th completed bar,every new bar high is enough to raise stops to 2 bars back.

If we get a situation where we get 5 multiple bars up to 11 am on the 15min charts,.......big monster move up,WRB et al,then and then only do we kick the 2 bar method into the 15min charts..........Again,because we have a huge bar on the 60 and 2 big bars on the 30 and SARs still miles back with no help from the higher TFs.Other than this obviously bullish or an obviously bearish scenario,with multiple WRBs........no bringing the 2 bar method into the 15min charts.

11am-3pm:If a move without pivots happen,then 2 bar method on 30min charts from 11:30am onwards.Pivots on 30 are what we are looking for and salivating over......A break above 30min Pivots is a no-brainer.Reverse it there and then.A break above pivots on the 15min charts need confirmation from the 60min or 30min charts. HH-HL is what we see on the 60min charts in an uptrend,simply a break below a previous low is not enough to go short......it needs confirmation from the 30 or 15.

An amalgamation between time frames is required for a reversal..........and another thing:We tend to forget(me included) that a reversal every day is not the norm.Rather there are more days when moves continue in its original direction ....2-3 reversal days ,one after another,and we are all ready to trigger a reversal at the nearest teenie-weenie l'il pivot on the 15min.

Failed breakout pattern:We have a pivot on the 30 or 60 and a WRB breakout followed by a bearish bar more than or equal to 50% of the range (open-close) of the WRB.Reverse if the following bar takes out the low of the bearish bar.

WRB at the end of an uptrend:Usually coupled with big volumes.Wait for the next bar to form.Short below the low of the 2nd bar.

Reversal bars(Candlestix):Topping tails after an uptrend on the 60min chart,etc

V shaped pattern:No pivots,and the 2 bar would help us reverse....

3:00-3:30pm:SARs adjusted as per the 15min charts if profits not taken off.


Regards

P.S: Seniors please advice if my understanding is wrong. Shall remove the post in that case.
 
Re: Intraday Miniflow Trades for Today: Saint's Method

Quoting Saint from the mother thread :

""It shows as one or 2 bearish candles on the 60........ if the 60 puts up a bearish candle, followed by a bullish candle that takes out the high of the bearish candle, that is an indication to get long.......Coupled with that, a higher pivot low on the 15 or 30 will give us an indication that a reversal day is upon us.

Saint""

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bijovyppil

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good morning friends
market is trading in a very narrow range these days.. hope the situation will improve in coming days.. wish you all a happy trading day:)
bijo
 
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