how much return you expect from commodity market

[vishumahajan]

Ashwani sir,

Are these technicals plays the same role for equities also ? what if you have to convert 5000/- to 5,00,000 in equities market in one year ? will you amend your rules or will it remain the same (in terms of technical analysis, as i know the time frame window of 9 hours will surely undergo the change as the market itself is open for around 6 hours in a day

I guess the rules remains the same, since crowd psychology is similar in all the markets irrespective of its type.

 

[ashwani chadha]

Ashwani sir,

Are these technicals plays the same role for equities also ? what if you have to convert 5000/- to 5,00,000 in equities market in one year ? will you amend your rules or will it remain the same (in terms of technical analysis, as i know the time frame window of 9 hours will surely undergo the change as the market itself is open for around 6 hours in a day

I guess the rules remains the same, since crowd psychology is similar in all the markets irrespective of its type.

as far as technicals are concerned same will work in all the three markets STOCK/COMMODITI/FOREX
as far as mechnical trading sistem is concerned it will also work in all the three markets
but as far as time frame is concerned nine hour will not at all work in stock market
i dont trade stock market now but once in a month when i trade in one lot of nifi onl then at the same mechnical trading sistem i change time frame from nine to four hour then it gives two bar one 9 to 12 and second 12 to 3.30 then it works
as far 100 fold return are concerned i will give it in commoditi market in 12 month but in stock market i can not give even 10 time might be onli five time far me also
basic reason is difference in volatilit leval of both markets,in commoditi it is veri high,so profit come fast on daili basis which furthur multiplied on daili basis but in stock market due to low volatilit it is not possible
second basic reason is in commoditi we are 20 time leverage whose benifit i get but in stock market we are 6 to 10 time leverage ,so speed of multi pliing profits becomes quite slow

 

[ashwani chadha]

as far as technicals are concerned same will work in all the three markets STOCK/COMMODITI/FOREX
as far as mechnical trading sistem is concerned it will also work in all the three markets
but as far as time frame is concerned nine hour will not at all work in stock market
i dont trade stock market now but once in a month when i trade in one lot of nifi onl then at the same mechnical trading sistem i change time frame from nine to four hour then it gives two bar one 9 to 12 and second 12 to 3.30 then it works
as far 100 fold return are concerned i will give it in commoditi market in 12 month but in stock market i can not give even 10 time might be onli five time far me also
basic reason is difference in volatilit leval of both markets,in commoditi it is veri high,so profit come fast on daili basis which furthur multiplied on daili basis but in stock market due to low volatilit it is not possible
second basic reason is in commoditi we are 20 time leverage whose benifit i get but in stock market we are 6 to 10 time leverage ,so speed of multi pliing profits becomes quite slow

that was the basic reason i shifted from stock to commoditi market for full 36 months to achieve some off life time targets
after 10am i again opened market at six, sistem told me that i should close long in lead and zink i did the same sistem also told me that i can add some more long position in gold ,so i gave buiing trigers as per monei management rules as required,and then closed the trading windo at 6.15 now i will open at 11.25
for furthur ten minute.this is how this two bar sistem work that is the reason i am again at thread .as i am free 24x7 except three time duti of ten minute in 24hour at share khan on line trading window

 

[vishumahajan]

as far as technicals are concerned same will work in all the three markets STOCK/COMMODITI/FOREX
as far as mechnical trading sistem is concerned it will also work in all the three markets
but as far as time frame is concerned nine hour will not at all work in stock market
i dont trade stock market now but once in a month when i trade in one lot of nifi onl then at the same mechnical trading sistem i change time frame from nine to four hour then it gives two bar one 9 to 12 and second 12 to 3.30 then it works
as far 100 fold return are concerned i will give it in commoditi market in 12 month but in stock market i can not give even 10 time might be onli five time far me also
basic reason is difference in volatilit leval of both markets,in commoditi it is veri high,so profit come fast on daili basis which furthur multiplied on daili basis but in stock market due to low volatilit it is not possible
second basic reason is in commoditi we are 20 time leverage whose benifit i get but in stock market we are 6 to 10 time leverage ,so speed of multi pliing profits becomes quite slow

Thanks for the explanation sir.Yeah its very true that commodities market are more appealing then equities in almost all aspects except one.The only problem is the time period , as it is opened for more then 13 hours and will eat up all the time , unless he has a excellent MTS like you (which allows to trade as well as to enjoy life

 

[Rajeevji]

( SO FIRST I WILL EXPLAIN HOW U WILL DESIGN TIME FRAME IN MECHNICAL TRADING SISTEM WITH NO FAULT FOR HUNDERED FOLD INCREASE IN CAPITAL IN TEWELVE MONH PERIOD )

Dear Ashwani,

So far we have learned about time frames and several other things:

Nine hour time frame is well suited for positional trading in commodities. This is the two bar system you personally like and also suggest to the learners here. One big advantage is that we need to see the technicals only three times a day in this positional trading: morning ~8 am, evening ~6 pm, and night ~11:30 pm.

The MTS is/should always be in market, in each of the nine commodities. It will be either long or short, but have a position is each of the nine commodities.

The system of s1/s2/r1/r2/pivot point is one of the widely used systems of trading. After some experience one can develop one's own MTS and that is what you wish everyone of your students to do.

Commodities can give higher profits because they are more volatile and the leverage available is higher. They can enable to multiply our capital faster.

Going forward from here, do you think I should start with the 10 sma / 20 ema system mentioned by you earlier?

regards

Rajeev

 

[TraderRavi]

Dear Ashwani,

So far we have learned about time frames and several other things:

Nine hour time frame is well suited for positional trading in commodities. This is the two bar system you personally like and also suggest to the learners here. One big advantage is that we need to see the technicals only three times a day in this positional trading: morning ~8 am, evening ~6 pm, and night ~11:30 pm.

The MTS is/should always be in market, in each of the nine commodities. It will be either long or short, but have a position is each of the nine commodities.

The system of s1/s2/r1/r2/pivot point is one of the widely used systems of trading. After some experience one can develop one's own MTS and that is what you wish everyone of your students to do.

Commodities can give higher profits because they are more volatile and the leverage available is higher. They can enable to multiply our capital faster.

Going forward from here, do you think I should start with the 10 sma / 20 ema system mentioned by you earlier?

regards

Rajeev

which nine commodities.???

 

[ayush2020]

which nine commodities.???

those are gold,silver,crude,copper,nickel,zinc,lead,natural gas .... and rest 1 i dont remember..

 

[SavantGarde]

& aluminium

SG

those are gold,silver,crude,copper,nickel,zinc,lead,natural gas .... And rest 1 i dont remember..

 

[Rajeevji]

Dear Ashwani,

......Going forward from here, do you think I should start with the 10 sma / 20 ema system mentioned by you earlier?

regards

Rajeev

Dear Ashwani Bhai,

Trust everything is fine at your end. Kindly do try to give a few minutes to your thread every day as your experience sharing benefits many, most of all including me. Today I have finished going thru the complete thread, all 219 pages, so this post.

For me a target of doubling the capital in one year - yes one year is also ambitious, so I have a lot to learn from you.

You have set a close-to- impossible target for yourself. Such a sky-high target may cause emotional pressure (cutting down on sleep) or discouragement (ups & downs in monthly return are inevitable). We are all human I guess.

May God grant success to you and learning o rest of us.

regards

Rajeev

 

[kt100]

i feel , i will be able to covert 10000/- Rs to 2- lakh in one year, please give your practical views,you can also ask regarding EOd support for any commodity,with trailing stop loss,& its trend,

cant believe it , at that rate you would surpass bill gates in 6 years flat. :clapping:

for me this target is almost a joke no matter how good your MM and strategy are. i mean pros make peace with 100% a year, you are talking about 1000% a year.. its crazy!!