My algo trading daily performance

mechtrader

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Guys as a rule of thumb pls understand that anyone offering profitable strategies is just a scam.
Many people think that discretionary trading is an art as it involves mental discipline, quick thinking, good understanding of technicals and alot more.
They venture into strategy trading as they feel it is as simple as plug and play.
I would like to say that yes they are true to some extent, but its not all that.

A mechanical trader does most of his work before the strategy is live (idea generation, statistical viability, rigorous testing, most importantly correct testing, money management, dealing with every possible scenario possible in the market, avoiding curve fitting, monte carlo simulations) the list is not yet complete.
It takes around tens of ideas and hundreds of testings to produce one strategy that could be traded live. Now the problem is, many of the discarded ones and the one with which you are live look almost same as far as results are concerned but there is a heck of fundamental difference in them.
Running an optimization and creating a system is a very easy job, but is that system robust and will remain profitable in the future is another thing.

My writing is very weak, maybe i was not able to explain my points clearly. So here they are to the point.

1) No one will offer you profitable systems. Its just an illusion. Good backtests dont work in future, correct backtests do.

2) Dont venture into auto trading if you think its easy money. System traders need to work as much on every aspect of their trading as discretionary traders have to. Systems need to be revamped and adjusted regularly, its not an ATM.

3) If you still want to do auto trading, pls make yourself enlighted enough about the field. Successful System trading is much more than backtesting.
Dont fall prey to it.


Thanks,
MT
 

jahan

Well-Known Member
Hello,

what a write up...hat's off.....i know those words are coming from a experienced trader..i totally agree with u..

Regards,
 
Guys as a rule of thumb pls understand that anyone offering profitable strategies is just a scam.
Many people think that discretionary trading is an art as it involves mental discipline, quick thinking, good understanding of technicals and alot more.
They venture into strategy trading as they feel it is as simple as plug and play.
I would like to say that yes they are true to some extent, but its not all that.

A mechanical trader does most of his work before the strategy is live (idea generation, statistical viability, rigorous testing, most importantly correct testing, money management, dealing with every possible scenario possible in the market, avoiding curve fitting, monte carlo simulations) the list is not yet complete.
It takes around tens of ideas and hundreds of testings to produce one strategy that could be traded live. Now the problem is, many of the discarded ones and the one with which you are live look almost same as far as results are concerned but there is a heck of fundamental difference in them.
Running an optimization and creating a system is a very easy job, but is that system robust and will remain profitable in the future is another thing.

My writing is very weak, maybe i was not able to explain my points clearly. So here they are to the point.

1) No one will offer you profitable systems. Its just an illusion. Good backtests dont work in future, correct backtests do.

2) Dont venture into auto trading if you think its easy money. System traders need to work as much on every aspect of their trading as discretionary traders have to. Systems need to be revamped and adjusted regularly, its not an ATM.

3) If you still want to do auto trading, pls make yourself enlighted enough about the field. Successful System trading is much more than backtesting.
Dont fall prey to it.


Thanks,
MT
well said bro :)
 

Rish

Well-Known Member
Guys as a rule of thumb pls understand that anyone offering profitable strategies is just a scam.
Many people think that discretionary trading is an art as it involves mental discipline, quick thinking, good understanding of technicals and alot more.
They venture into strategy trading as they feel it is as simple as plug and play.
I would like to say that yes they are true to some extent, but its not all that.

A mechanical trader does most of his work before the strategy is live (idea generation, statistical viability, rigorous testing, most importantly correct testing, money management, dealing with every possible scenario possible in the market, avoiding curve fitting, monte carlo simulations) the list is not yet complete.
It takes around tens of ideas and hundreds of testings to produce one strategy that could be traded live. Now the problem is, many of the discarded ones and the one with which you are live look almost same as far as results are concerned but there is a heck of fundamental difference in them.
Running an optimization and creating a system is a very easy job, but is that system robust and will remain profitable in the future is another thing.

My writing is very weak, maybe i was not able to explain my points clearly. So here they are to the point.

1) No one will offer you profitable systems. Its just an illusion. Good backtests dont work in future, correct backtests do.

2) Dont venture into auto trading if you think its easy money. System traders need to work as much on every aspect of their trading as discretionary traders have to. Systems need to be revamped and adjusted regularly, its not an ATM.

3) If you still want to do auto trading, pls make yourself enlighted enough about the field. Successful System trading is much more than backtesting.
Dont fall prey to it.


Thanks,
MT
:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
 

mechtrader

Well-Known Member
I dont know if its allowed to post your results in the forum but I have been doing it for the past so many months. Hence posting it. Tell me if its not ok, i will remove it.



The month was good for the strategies. However slippages were significant this month. Now I am tracking slippage per scrip per strategy for entry as well as exit orders. Will do this for 3 months to draw any conclusion about how to reduce this. However during backtesting I have tested with 300Rs. slippage and commission per complete trade. The slippage is under that level but its still something to ponder upon.

All the best for this month's trading.

THanks,
MT
 

Blackhole

Well-Known Member
I dont know if its allowed to post your results in the forum but I have been doing it for the past so many months. Hence posting it. Tell me if its not ok, i will remove it.

All the best for this month's trading.

THanks,
MT
Good job MT!:clap:

performance is impressive
 
Yea. This month was above average performance. Only 5 loosing days. But as per my testing I have 50% loosing days. Considering that I beat the statistics but they will catch up to me soon.:mad:

Thanks,
MT
mech looking at your no. of trades, it seems like you trading shorter time frame 5 min or so, u may want to consider moving to a bit higher timeframe otherwise sooner or later slippage can choke u in algo.

just my 2 cents :thumb:
 

mechtrader

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mech looking at your no. of trades, it seems like you trading shorter time frame 5 min or so, u may want to consider moving to a bit higher timeframe otherwise sooner or later slippage can choke u in algo.

just my 2 cents :thumb:
I trade 10min tf. I have considered slippages at Rs. 200 per round trip in my testings. So i like to believe its o.k. But i am still learning to reduce those, the only way to do that is to check in live scenario ; hence it will take few more months.

Thanks,
MT