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[Raghavacc]

Now you go to your nearest Bazaar where you want to purchase a Laptop Backpack. You ask for it in a shop.He says sir its Rs.1500/-.

You ask Is it final price?

He says No sir -14% VAT extra Rs.1500/-*5/100 = Rs.156/-.

You think I came here searching for the least price .Now its already above my budget.Now Rs.156/- extra.Meanwhile the shopper asks. Sir you want item with bill or without bill?.Sir ,Tax is applicable only If its with bill.

You got what you wanted. You say Why the hell I care for the bill?.Give me wihout bill .
A black money worth Rs.1500/- has been generated.

Say a college student goes to Buy cinema tickets.He goes and asks at the counter.They say its 300/- (Inclusive of SERVICE TAX +ENTERTAINMENT Tax.).
There is a gatekeeper in the corner offering it for 175 /- Rs.in
BLACK. What the student thinks.?.Savings of 125 Rs. He buys in BLACK. You saw how even gatekeeper makes black money.!!!But he does it for his survival, for his food and shelter.

You go to your doctor for some check ups. When you come out you see Bill is Rs.1000/- .however taxes are Rs. 100/- odd. Service Tax 10.3%....

Wherever you go,our Tax network follows

You pay Tax from your Sal.
You pay Tax when you buy goods.
You pay tax Whenever you avail any service.
Even if you go to movie for a change you pay tax.
Its not surprising if our neighour vegetablewala starts levying Vegetable Tax.

Have you ever asked I pay so many taxes at each and every part of life.where they go? Do you get good roads?do you have health Insurance from Govt? Do you have employment security?Have you got qualitative and uninterupted supply of electricity? Have you got good sanitary systems?public drainages?leave it, ATLEAST GOOD PUBLIC TOILETS?

If your answer is yes,I will stop here.

If your answer is No,then I am going to ask where do they go? Every person from this generation ME AND YOU should ask this question.Then only that transformation can START atleast in the mind.

Though the issues that Baba Ramdev has raised are valid and every on supports, building an Army is an extreme step.Thats not the way. No army can stop Corruption.The corruption is a result of greediness or extreme greediness. Hence the change has to start in the mind of every citizen.Nothing to do with physical/army.

 

[columbus]

Though the issues that Baba Ramdev has raised are valid and every on supports, building an Army is an extreme step.Thats not the way. No army can stop Corruption.The corruption is a result of greediness or extreme greediness. Hence the change has to start in the mind of every citizen.Nothing to do with physical/army.

Not only EXTREME but also not FEASIBLE.

 

[Raghavacc]

Now Let me tell you small example on how corrupt people grow exponentially.. Again a bus example. I stayed in PG early in my working life.As I told you earlier, at that point of time even I could not afford a bike.It was a bus. But what a time I had!! ,I learnt most valuable lessons of my life on those bus trips.
My office stop was just 2 stops away-say approximately 1 Km.The charge was 4 Rs.
Bus conductors too are experts in dealings .The moment I used to say I want to get down at my office stop which is just 1Km,they would think of a deal.( Since it takes just 5-10 minutes of time they think its safe to take such risk and go for a deal ) What is that deal?
I have to pay 4 Rs.for the ticket. Now as per the deal he will take 3 Rs. Wont give me the ticket. I save 1 Rs.!!
Since most of the people who travel on these buses are from poor background ,A 1 Rupee saving would make them happy. However I used to carry exact change of 4 Rs.every day and ask for ticket though they used to invite me for the deal.Conductors used to get very angry on me .
Other tactic that they used to get in to deal is with the passengers is ,most passengers dont carry change.So when a person gives 10 Rs. For a 4 Re ticket,Conductor will say I dont have change though he got full pocket of changes. This would invariably result in a deal.!!!What an Idea sirji!!!.

Then lot of college boys used to be very happy with the deals.Some of them will stuck deal of 50:50. 2 Rs. For Conductor and 2 Rs. Savings for themselves.
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Now see the overall equation - 3 Rs. For conductor which is 3 times more than what this passenger has saved!!!.Remember he has paid for the conductor personally.If caught by the squad ,passenger has to shell out 400 Rs. i.e: The min penalty for travelling W/O ticket. How many days does it take to SAVE that 400? And how many deals it takes to recover that 400 Rs. For a passenger?just do some maths.

Just imagine if conductor makes 10 such deals per day he is just making money for his petty expenses..Of course 10 is too less. They will make much more number of deals per day.

It shows that corrupt always go exponentially.Poor becomes poorer exponentially.

People do not think.They feel some kind of inner happiness for cheating someone.They dont know that they are the one who are losing
But at the end of the day the question remains who is responsible for this pathetic sate?We blame system, politicians,---Politicians blame people and opposition parties,---in the end some one has to take it..

Just imagine.The blackmoney to the tune of Rs.5000 crores is being generated each year at Interstate checkposts.You know how traffic police buy bunglows in the heart of the city.

Its none other than me and you. A person was carrying an ass on his shoulders and a bypasser told. Hey - its an ass. Why do you need to carry it on your shoulder? Let it be on the ground. Drop it. The person toldI love it sir.The moment he finished his words that ass **** on his head. The bypasser said. I told you to drop it .Its an ass. Everything has its own place .It deserves to be on the ground and not on your shoulders.

We have carried big bunch of ASSES called politicians on our shoulders for 64 years, we garlanded those buggers and today the same ASSES are shitting on our head.

First we need to drop them from our shoulders.Then tell them You work for your bread and butter like all of us."

One good news is that we from this generation( I mean those who are born after 1975) want to work, co operate, we also have concerns towards our society.We are modest.We love people.We believe in working and getting reward.I am talking of majority.

However there is a drawback .We do not take responsibility.We live in fantasy.We want to do everything E-WAY E meditation, E-lunchnow even E-Cigerates!!!!We need little bit of tweaking in our mindset.
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If you closely observe 95% of these asses I spoke above belong to previous generation.I see in so many Govt offices the younger people who are appointed freshly want to work, They are "shy"of asking (begging ) for bribe...
Remember corruption is a mass psychology-it has to be changed through a transformation IN A MASS SCALE BY BRINGING IN RIGHT MINDSET.That transformation takes place when we adopt our own values.be it Chankyas Arthashastra, Patanjali s Ayurveda, Aryabhatas Maths,Ravi Vermas art,Chandraguptas administration.
Currently we are ragpickers. We pick what westerners use and throw.Culture,cloths,style,family values,language everythingThis has to change starting from me.do not point fingures at othersIt has to start from me.

Lord Krishna said in Geeta Sanghe Shakti Kale Yuge.The efforts which are done with unity brings power and results in this particular era.. But we have a problem10 people cant mingle even for an hour. Because each one says I am Xparty, I am Y party..

 

[gsam]

Originally Posted by Raghavacc View Post
Though the issues that Baba Ramdev has raised are valid and every on supports, building an Army is an extreme step.Thats not the way. No army can stop Corruption.The corruption is a result of greediness or extreme greediness. Hence the change has to start in the mind of every citizen.Nothing to do with physical/army.


Not only EXTREME but also not FEASIBLE.

I am no fan of BR, but I think he is naive, he has played right into the hands of this government by saying this silly (and not feasible as Columbus put it) thing. Anti-corruption is anti-self for many big wigs in politics, otherwise there was no reason for them to beat up ordinary citizens who have every right to protest. Tianamen Square in India.

 

[columbus]

I am no fan of BR, but I think he is naive, he has played right into the hands of this government by saying this silly (and not feasible as Columbus put it) thing. Anti-corruption is anti-self for many big wigs in politics, otherwise there was no reason for them to beat up ordinary citizens who have every right to protest. Tianamen Square in India.

This is a small incident from a local movie.

CM tries to pass a bill on Anti-corruption.It is completely defeated in the
Assembly.One elderly man advises CM with a small modification.Modification
is -"MLAs are exempt from the bill".CM adds this modification ,now the bill
is won with thumping majority.

 

[DanPickUp]

The tax and black money

Chanakya in this Arthashastra says the route cause of dishonesty lies in the taxation system of any economy.

Just by bringing back blackmoney in to India wont solve the problem of black money.Its route cause is in the Rakkas Taxation system that we have.

Imagine you are a resident Indian and you want to start up a business. By the time you register your company you are half dead. By the time you start up your business you are fully dead. The number of table you have to round is hardly15-20!!!.Earlier it was hardly 80.( Only Gujarat is exception for this). Then adding to your wound you have to then serve the Servantsof nation both ON top of the table and Under the table.Now you feel Damn I slog and I shell off my hard money and these suckers sit and make money.

Then once you start your business you have different doctors .One is Income Tax Doctor .Another is Sales tax Doctor. Sales Tax doctor tortures you every day whereas the former takes hafta once in a year ( Now a days in quarterly installments).You look for your nearest mental hospital after you hear VAT, CST, OCTROI, DUMPING DUTY, ANTI DUMPING DUTY,AUNTY DUMPING DUTY,EXCISEIf I write the list you start omitting .Hence discontinuing.

Tell me one thing-A businessman is forced to pay 33% as Tax.He says why the hell I should cuff 1/3rd of my Profit to this buggers ? He says I slog for my labour, materials, then serving Maamus (I really love MunnaBhai.The way he presented is pentastic.).See the logic. The businessman gets a white hair by slogging 18-20 hours a day.He gets headache by managing labour, capital,Market,Competition.The Maamus purchase Lamborgini,Audi,Benz just sitting on the chair and doing virtually nothing but only doing Maamugiri.What a way to do business!!.

Ok now that 33% he has paid where does it go? 80% of that to non plan expenditure Means again it goes to Maamus to buy that Lamborgini,Audi,Benz.What public gets is a BIG TOPI
Now business man thinks .I slog. I earn.I am honest.I make profit.Its my money.Then even when I pay for the sake of nation,Maamus swallow it like a Anacondas.Public gets nothing. WHAT IS THE USE OF BEING HONEST? WHAT IS USE OF BEING IDEAL BUSINESSMAN?WHY SHOULD I PAY TAX?Now he goes to chartered Accountant.!!!!

Thats the route cause of the dicease.I can promise you no person wants to cheat.He wants to contribute for his nation.However Maamus want the same system because if they change this Used and throw outdated Taxation system borrowed from British, they will come to streets

When A rowdy kicks and collects money from you, its called Hafta
When Govt kicks and collects money from you,its called Tax
What is the difference ?Who is better?


Yeah, yeah. Taxes and black money and money laundry law. Do you have one in India ?

 

[Piuvbn]

Now Let me tell you small example on how corrupt people grow exponentially.. Again a bus example. I stayed in PG early in my working life.As I told you earlier, at that point of time even I could not afford a bike.It was a bus. But what a time I had!! ,I learnt most valuable lessons of my life on those bus trips.
My office stop was just 2 stops away-say approximately 1 Km.The charge was 4 Rs.
Bus conductors too are experts in dealings .The moment I used to say I want to get down at my office stop which is just 1Km,they would think of a deal.( Since it takes just 5-10 minutes of time they think its safe to take such risk and go for a deal ) What is that deal?
I have to pay 4 Rs.for the ticket. Now as per the deal he will take 3 Rs. Wont give me the ticket. I save 1 Rs.!!
Since most of the people who travel on these buses are from poor background ,A 1 Rupee saving would make them happy. However I used to carry exact change of 4 Rs.every day and ask for ticket though they used to invite me for the deal.Conductors used to get very angry on me .
Other tactic that they used to get in to deal is with the passengers is ,most passengers dont carry change.So when a person gives 10 Rs. For a 4 Re ticket,Conductor will say I dont have change though he got full pocket of changes. This would invariably result in a deal.!!!What an Idea sirji!!!.

Then lot of college boys used to be very happy with the deals.Some of them will stuck deal of 50:50. 2 Rs. For Conductor and 2 Rs. Savings for themselves.
--------------------------------------
Now see the overall equation - 3 Rs. For conductor which is 3 times more than what this passenger has saved!!!.Remember he has paid for the conductor personally.If caught by the squad ,passenger has to shell out 400 Rs. i.e: The min penalty for travelling W/O ticket. How many days does it take to SAVE that 400? And how many deals it takes to recover that 400 Rs. For a passenger?just do some maths.

Just imagine if conductor makes 10 such deals per day he is just making money for his petty expenses..Of course 10 is too less. They will make much more number of deals per day.

It shows that corrupt always go exponentially.Poor becomes poorer exponentially.

People do not think.They feel some kind of inner happiness for cheating someone.They dont know that they are the one who are losing
But at the end of the day the question remains who is responsible for this pathetic sate?We blame system, politicians,---Politicians blame people and opposition parties,---in the end some one has to take it..

Just imagine.The blackmoney to the tune of Rs.5000 crores is being generated each year at Interstate checkposts.You know how traffic police buy bunglows in the heart of the city.

Its none other than me and you. A person was carrying an ass on his shoulders and a bypasser told. Hey - its an ass. Why do you need to carry it on your shoulder? Let it be on the ground. Drop it. The person toldI love it sir.The moment he finished his words that ass **** on his head. The bypasser said. I told you to drop it .Its an ass. Everything has its own place .It deserves to be on the ground and not on your shoulders.

We have carried big bunch of ASSES called politicians on our shoulders for 64 years, we garlanded those buggers and today the same ASSES are shitting on our head.

First we need to drop them from our shoulders.Then tell them You work for your bread and butter like all of us."

One good news is that we from this generation( I mean those who are born after 1975) want to work, co operate, we also have concerns towards our society.We are modest.We love people.We believe in working and getting reward.I am talking of majority.

However there is a drawback .We do not take responsibility.We live in fantasy.We want to do everything E-WAY E meditation, E-lunchnow even E-Cigerates!!!!We need little bit of tweaking in our mindset.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you closely observe 95% of these asses I spoke above belong to previous generation.I see in so many Govt offices the younger people who are appointed freshly want to work, They are "shy"of asking (begging ) for bribe...
Remember corruption is a mass psychology-it has to be changed through a transformation IN A MASS SCALE BY BRINGING IN RIGHT MINDSET.That transformation takes place when we adopt our own values.be it Chankyas Arthashastra, Patanjali s Ayurveda, Aryabhatas Maths,Ravi Vermas art,Chandraguptas administration.
Currently we are ragpickers. We pick what westerners use and throw.Culture,cloths,style,family values,language everythingThis has to change starting from me.do not point fingures at othersIt has to start from me.

Lord Krishna said in Geeta Sanghe Shakti Kale Yuge.The efforts which are done with unity brings power and results in this particular era.. But we have a problem10 people cant mingle even for an hour. Because each one says I am Xparty, I am Y party..

Long back I read a book ''This Or Else'' by DINSAW J DASTUR,he wrote about taxes,how heavily commoner like us burdened by indirect tax.
You can't leave it on moral along.There should be an all inclusive strong,quick and impartial detecting system and equally quick judgement system.This would act as strong deterrent to any one thinking of earning wrongly.The law should be such that whoever in the family enjoy the fruit of ill gotten gains would be asked to bear the burden.Strong deterrent is the call of the time.Regards

 

[Raghavacc]

The tax and black money

Chanakya in this Arthashastra says the route cause of dishonesty lies in the taxation system of any economy.

Just by bringing back blackmoney in to India wont solve the problem of black money.Its route cause is in the Rakkas Taxation system that we have.

Imagine you are a resident Indian and you want to start up a business. By the time you register your company you are half dead. By the time you start up your business you are fully dead. The number of table you have to round is hardly15-20!!!.Earlier it was hardly 80.( Only Gujarat is exception for this). Then adding to your wound you have to then serve the Servantsof nation both ON top of the table and Under the table.Now you feel Damn I slog and I shell off my hard money and these suckers sit and make money.

Then once you start your business you have different doctors .One is Income Tax Doctor .Another is Sales tax Doctor. Sales Tax doctor tortures you every day whereas the former takes hafta once in a year ( Now a days in quarterly installments).You look for your nearest mental hospital after you hear VAT, CST, OCTROI, DUMPING DUTY, ANTI DUMPING DUTY,AUNTY DUMPING DUTY,EXCISEIf I write the list you start omitting .Hence discontinuing.

Tell me one thing-A businessman is forced to pay 33% as Tax.He says why the hell I should cuff 1/3rd of my Profit to this buggers ? He says I slog for my labour, materials, then serving Maamus (I really love MunnaBhai.The way he presented is pentastic.).See the logic. The businessman gets a white hair by slogging 18-20 hours a day.He gets headache by managing labour, capital,Market,Competition.The Maamus purchase Lamborgini,Audi,Benz just sitting on the chair and doing virtually nothing but only doing Maamugiri.What a way to do business!!.

Ok now that 33% he has paid where does it go? 80% of that to non plan expenditure Means again it goes to Maamus to buy that Lamborgini,Audi,Benz.What public gets is a BIG TOPI
Now business man thinks .I slog. I earn.I am honest.I make profit.Its my money.Then even when I pay for the sake of nation,Maamus swallow it like a Anacondas.Public gets nothing. WHAT IS THE USE OF BEING HONEST? WHAT IS USE OF BEING IDEAL BUSINESSMAN?WHY SHOULD I PAY TAX?Now he goes to chartered Accountant.!!!!

Thats the route cause of the dicease.I can promise you no person wants to cheat.He wants to contribute for his nation.However Maamus want the same system because if they change this Used and throw outdated Taxation system borrowed from British, they will come to streets

When A rowdy kicks and collects money from you, its called Hafta
When Govt kicks and collects money from you,its called Tax
What is the difference ?Who is better?


Yeah, yeah. Taxes and black money and money laundry law. Do you have one in India ?

Hello dan,

The only thing which do not have any barriers like caste,creed,religion,borders,genders is "Corruption".

Only difference is europe and US have very strict laws dealing with Corruption.Here we don't have one.

However things are changing.People are fed up.People know that they are the one who have allowed dinosaur to grow big instead of taming it when it was a small baby.Now though its not so easy to tame this animal the efforts are on and it will take time.

 

[Raghavacc]

Long back I read a book ''This Or Else'' by DINSAW J DASTUR,he wrote about taxes,how heavily commoner like us burdened by indirect tax.
You can't leave it on moral along.There should be an all inclusive strong,quick and impartial detecting system and equally quick judgement system.This would act as strong deterrent to any one thinking of earning wrongly.The law should be such that whoever in the family enjoy the fruit of ill gotten gains would be asked to bear the burden.Strong deterrent is the call of the time.Regards

Hi Piuvbn,

You are right.Our ancestors have stressed on a subject called "self restraint".This comes through a process called "Sanskara". When every one knows what their duty is ,there is no need of any law to restrict them from wrongdoings.

Again tell me does our education system says anything about honesty,our values, our ancestors ,our golden days 200 years ago.

Look at Japanese .There when a child goes to his school you know the first lesson? Teacher says" Look my boy ,even the sun loves our country,thats why he rises first in Japan".Thats why they are such patriots.

Come back to India,All we study is who attacked,when he attacked and what all that attacker carried with him.When we are bombarded with lessons of "Slavery" during early stages of our life ,how ca we expect the public to become good citizens.He become one more heard..........

 

[DanPickUp]

So, how good is your education system ? Is it possible for older people to have good education, even at high schools ? What about for the workers. Do they have access to education out side work like courses or evening school classes ?