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hello amitbe,
Had been a long time since i posted any thing on this wonderful thread. Well, hats off to the wonderful analysis given by you. You had discussed about the pivot points or in your words turning points some time back.One of the turning point is just around the corner.

AMITBE said:
As to your R2 3491.92, the level I have got is 3493. Whether this is going to be a major turning point, I'm not sure yet.
Let's wait and watch.
Well,this market never seems to run out of steam. So this time no looking for big corrections right away but just being careful at these levels. Some technical analysis by Vinay Verma and Vivek Patil's (technical analyst in icicidirect.com) 8 day cycle are combining around these levels. I have attached a chart which shows nifty has touched the upper channel. Time will say what happens.:)

cheers,
gvnarendra
 

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gvnarendra said:
hello amitbe,
Had been a long time since i posted any thing on this wonderful thread. Well, hats off to the wonderful analysis given by you. You had discussed about the pivot points or in your words turning points some time back.One of the turning point is just around the corner.
AMITBE said:
As to your R2 3491.92, the level I have got is 3493. Whether this is going to be a major turning point, I'm not sure yet.
Let's wait and watch.
Hi gvnarendra, sounds like a good idea to just go with the above issue this morning. It's important at this juncture.

Yesterday volatility returned to the markets with about 45 points distance covered between the low and high. The close at 3483 is about 10 points above the low, and about 25 points below the high.
What is significant for now is, looking at the size of the daily bars recently, while yesterdays may appear smallish, is it long enough in range with the close nearer to the low, to qualify as an exhaustion bar, in the near term at least? Volume wasnt bad either, but the close wasnt quite near enough to the high. If this was an exhaustion bar, then logically some retracement should be on the cards.

The other issue is of turning points and gaps, especially of important long range levels.

As for turning points, at this point Id rather go with a couple of likely levels quite higher up from the current levels: 3544 and 3561. These are still candidates, and no confirmation yet.

To important gaps left behind by the Nifty quite recently, which also includes a likely turning point level in there.
A likely turning level is 3425. A few more important levels are 3442 and 3459.
This is the first time, looking at my data, that a likely turning point has been left behind tucked into a gap.
Im interested in seeing what unfolds in the near term.
On the other hand, the markets lately have not bothered with technical issues at all.

For now the support line is 3481-3478-3475-3472-3469-3466-3463-3459/60.
Then 3456-3452-3448-3442/44-3436.
3432 is strong and 3425/28 are critical.

To the up, 3487-3491-3494-3497-3500 to begin with. then 3503-3506-3509-3512.
 

AMITBE

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The market moves leave not a lot to say.
To say further climb is on iswelllike whats new.
To say a correction is on iswelllike joining the carpers, complainers, and the anti cheerleaders. Of course itll comewhenever, though not deep as hell, not just yet.

That been said, today may not be an easy day for the bulls, and much volatility is the main issue at this point.

For me personally, the main interest is to observe which of the turning points mentioned Wednesday morning is going to be it. This is the link to that post: http://www.traderji.com/39649-post1033.html

As for my personal research, the last major turning point, and the twister mentioned earlier have come and not quite gone.
The oncoming twister was first mentioned on March 16, when the Nifty had closed at 3226:
AMITBE said:
We may very likely see a bit of a twister of an unknown magnitude coming on sometime soon, whether this week or very early next. Today's close would be a clear indicator.
The direction is anybodys guess, but Im personally on the long side.
Whichever way it goes, itll likely be a significant move.
We are about 300 points to the up now.
There is likely to be some more steam left in this move. For this reason the turning points above the current levels are a matter of interest.

For now the support line is 3508-3505-3500/02-3497-3492/94-3487-3484-3481-3478-3475-3472-3469.

To the up is 3513-3516-3519-3522-3525.
Past this congestion is seen at 3528-3531-3535-3539.
 

AMITBE

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AMITBE said:
For now the support line is 3508-3505-3500/02-3497-3492/94-3487-3484-3481-3478-3475-3472-3469.

To the up is 3513-3516-3519-3522-3525.
Past this congestion is seen at 3528-3531-3535-3539.
So what moves the markets.
At these levels, besides the earning expectations, it's news obviously.
Whether it's manipulation or not is a good point to consider.

Infy announces bonus in eye catching news. Instantly a runaway gap opening, about 250 points above previous close.

Morgan Stanley upgrades Holcim to overweight, and immediately ACC, Grasim and Gujarat Ambuja gap up and rally hard.

ZeeTV earns the BCCI contract, gaps up and rallies intantly.

These are enough to do the trick.
Move some strong Nifty counters and squeeze out the bears, and squeeze out every drop from the rally.
The game goes on.

The Friday following the last F&O expiry, this was written, and bringing it up as it's relevant here:
AMITBE said:
Not only can the big money arm-twist the Nifty, it can also hunt in packs with a great sense of timing.
Past 3 PM yesterday this was done, with several big players turning on the heat in perfect concert.
A perfect bear trap was laid, as the Nifty exactly at 2.30 PM, tested the near days low at 3379 (the real low being 3354, also the opening.).
A little before this, at 1.30 PM the Nifty had touched base at 3380 after testing around 3400. Then a feeble looking attempt was made at 3393, followed at once by a drop to 3379. Then another feeble attempt at 3387 followed by a drop to test 3378 a little before 3 PM. The highs were getting lower. An ordinary scenario on the last day of the contracts, with tugs and pulls from either side.
Then several counters began to move in concert.
I track ONGC, ITC, Bharti and Hind Lever as I hold these, and suddenly these and the Nifty of course began to move like all the meters on all the gas pumping machines at a gas station gone crazy all at once. Gallon after gallon after gallon. Pardon the Yankeeism.
In fact Hind Lever had been looking distinctly weak through the session trading below the previous close, right up till then.
The plundering took place between 3 and 3.15 PM, then at once, and as one, it turned direction.

The whys and hows of this kind of manipulation is another matter, but please, as written in a few news reports, if anyone says this was in anticipation of earnings growth, or a pre results rally, give us a break.
The earnings growth factor is not about to vanish into thin air all in fifteen minutes, so why the insane assault.
And its way too early to be a pre result rally, and the next few sessions would trash this theory Im certain.
The other day I'd posted at Agilent's thread, Exhaustion Gaps, about market manipulation which he had erroneously taken to mean scams.
This kind of manipulation is perfectly legitimate, and bodies like SEBI cannot do much about it. Hey, it's an open market and buy and sell anything goes.

And now the hard sell...from some big brokerage most likely in the derivatives.
More manipulation, as at current levels it takes someone to holler BOOOOOOO...and there'll be a crazed skedaddle (Saint!!) for the exit.
Makes big money at either end.

The market had just breached the critical support at 3469 to touch base at 3446, a downwards thrust of over a hundred points from the day's high.

Now it's important to take and stay above 3484-3485-3488-3491 to bring stablity, as the bears have tasted blood.

Supports are at 3455-3451-3446-3440-3436.

I still don't see this as the start of a biggish correction just yet.
Volatility yes, and it'll be high till the bulls make another concentrated move to regain some critical levels. They are not all that far high up.
We are still quite far from losing critical supports yet.
 
Something expected happened in a very unexpected manner.:(

Dont have words on markets, just keep surprising on highs and lows and the way it moves through them. So these lines from Daag Dehlvi,

kis qadar hain terii adaaien bebaak
in se fitane bhii hayaa karate hain

bebaak = bold; fitane = mischief
 
feels_good_today said:
Something expected happened in a very unexpected manner.:(

Dont have words on markets, just keep surprising on highs and lows and the way it moves through them. So these lines from Daag Dehlvi,

kis qadar hain terii adaaien bebaak
in se fitane bhii hayaa karate hain

bebaak = bold; fitane = mischief
:p :p ;)....
 
Amit,

Very truly said, its a sort of arm twisting and I haven't myself initiated any Stop Losses.

The levels for staying a float and giving strength by you is very much valid. Myself following it very closely.

Infosys no doubt has boosted the market up. Also, a day holiday yesterday would have given the big houses to do something surprising.

my personal view, this is no correction and just a manipulation to make money at both the ends.

Satya
 

AMITBE

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AMITBE said:
So what moves the markets.
At these levels, besides the earning expectations, it's news obviously.
Whether it's manipulation or not is a good point to consider.

Infy announces bonus in eye catching news. Instantly a runaway gap opening, about 250 points above previous close.

Morgan Stanley upgrades Holcim to overweight, and immediately ACC, Grasim and Gujarat Ambuja gap up and rally hard.

ZeeTV earns the BCCI contract, gaps up and rallies intantly.

These are enough to do the trick.
Move some strong Nifty counters and squeeze out the bears, and squeeze out every drop from the rally.
The game goes on.

The Friday following the last F&O expiry, this was written, and bringing it up as it's relevant here:

AMITBE said:
Not only can the big money arm-twist the Nifty, it can also hunt in packs with a great sense of timing.
Past 3 PM yesterday this was done, with several big players turning on the heat in perfect concert.
A perfect bear trap was laid, as the Nifty exactly at 2.30 PM, tested the near days low at 3379 (the real low being 3354, also the opening.).
A little before this, at 1.30 PM the Nifty had touched base at 3380 after testing around 3400. Then a feeble looking attempt was made at 3393, followed at once by a drop to 3379. Then another feeble attempt at 3387 followed by a drop to test 3378 a little before 3 PM. The highs were getting lower. An ordinary scenario on the last day of the contracts, with tugs and pulls from either side.
Then several counters began to move in concert.
I track ONGC, ITC, Bharti and Hind Lever as I hold these, and suddenly these and the Nifty of course began to move like all the meters on all the gas pumping machines at a gas station gone crazy all at once. Gallon after gallon after gallon. Pardon the Yankeeism.
In fact Hind Lever had been looking distinctly weak through the session trading below the previous close, right up till then.
The plundering took place between 3 and 3.15 PM, then at once, and as one, it turned direction.

The whys and hows of this kind of manipulation is another matter, but please, as written in a few news reports, if anyone says this was in anticipation of earnings growth, or a pre results rally, give us a break.
The earnings growth factor is not about to vanish into thin air all in fifteen minutes, so why the insane assault.
And its way too early to be a pre result rally, and the next few sessions would trash this theory Im certain.
The other day I'd posted at Agilent's thread, Exhaustion Gaps, about market manipulation which he had erroneously taken to mean scams.
This kind of manipulation is perfectly legitimate, and bodies like SEBI cannot do much about it. Hey, it's an open market and buy and sell anything goes.

And now the hard sell...from some big brokerage most likely in the derivatives.
More manipulation, as at current levels it takes someone to holler BOOOOOOO...and there'll be a crazed skedaddle (Saint!!) for the exit.
Makes big money at either end.

The market had just breached the critical support at 3469 to touch base at 3446, a downwards thrust of over a hundred points from the day's high.

Now it's important to take and stay above 3484-3485-3488-3491 to bring stablity, as the bears have tasted blood.

Supports are at 3455-3451-3446-3440-3436.

I still don't see this as the start of a biggish correction just yet.
Volatility yes, and it'll be high till the bulls make another concentrated move to regain some critical levels. They are not all that far high up.
We are still quite far from losing critical supports yet.
The above mentioned levels to the up are valid still.
Above 3491, if we get that far is the likely congestion above 3494. Anything in this vicinity would be a bonus.

The attached chart marks the important levels of the day as mentioned in the morning post.
The trendlines are important to watch and the support trendline has just been broken. Not to say a pullback is not possible, but the market is very nervous.
 

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And now the hard sell...from some big brokerage most likely in the derivatives.
More manipulation, as at current levels it takes someone to holler BOOOOOOO...and there'll be a crazed skedaddle (Saint!!) for the exit.
Makes big money at either end.
:) :) Skedaddle??!!Been some time,my friend,since we 've had the supra-bombastic words.......now where's my dictionary?!

Saint
 
srisara said:
Amit,

Very truly said, its a sort of arm twisting and I haven't myself initiated any Stop Losses.

The levels for staying a float and giving strength by you is very much valid. Myself following it very closely.

Infosys no doubt has boosted the market up. Also, a day holiday yesterday would have given the big houses to do something surprising.

my personal view, this is no correction and just a manipulation to make money at both the ends.

Satya
Same here Satya, it looks me to be a huge buy back. Actually this must have cause a lot of panic selling in the markets.

The monday move would confirm that actual correction or only it is a huge speculation for change of hands in trades.

Avoid shorts at this point of time and watching it eyes wide open :)

Raj
 
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