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Sunil

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Sunil,

But volume of the right shoulder is comparitvely more than that of the head/left shoulder...

I also remember Asish da mentioning this point...

ur comments appreciated...
There's a disconnect between your attached post by Neeraj & your own post...
Neeraj is just looking for a possible intraday bounce at spot 2700 (restricted to intraday swing/scalp trades & not as a positional long)...

If the H&S u r mentioning is the one I posted in my mechanical thread, then a close below 2800 today will confirm the break of intermediate uptrend...
Logically, it should target 2500....
only hiccup is the over-sold state of higher time frames...

i experienced one thing: even sideway moves can cool off RSI...
60min can also remain over-sold for some more time, without giving any good bounce....
if u r positionally short, then today's break of 2800 has given a good previous lower-high which we can keep as a trailing stop loss... forget RSI

(will discuss more in my thread, as this thread pertains to Intraday trading only)
 

ag_fx

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Dear senior members,

I request your kind comments on the following trade, which I could have undertaken today...

At 2:30PM today, on 1 min chart, nifty spot, RSI was looking to break 20 levels. I also use Pivot levels for the day and the spot rate was moving close to R2 of the day which was 2751.4

I wanted to go long at this point(when the spot touches the support and RSI was under 20) as I have seen pivot supports playing crucial role in the trade.

However, due to lack of exp, i was unable to decide any tgt for such support oriented move.

Can anyone throw some light on the same?

I am enclosing the chart that I was viewing.

 
Zzz.. full time trading after sometime... Couldn't do much today
Somehow most of my anticipation didn't work today.. but atleast im happy that at the end i didnt up losing although would consider it as a loss day only taking into account the time Value of Life :p hehe
 

MurAtt

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Dear All,

Nifty Spot EOD chart shows Bearish Wedge formation with tgt 2600 and lower.
Nifty Spot EOD chart also show H&S - BUT - RShoulder is same height as Head and that I think negates the H&S.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3190323205_0134b1d113_o.jpg

I know its a bit too late to ask since the mkts already moved down, but then too, can someone confirm the Bearish Wedge?

We still have long way to go for 2600.

:)


Murtaza
 

Sunil

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Vineet,

Generally, big gap-downs & gap-ups are followed by some cooling off / pullbacks...
theory/textbook says: Go SHORT / LONG on such pullbacks (as the case may be)

I'll post one googlepages chart, wherein one can know exactly where the pullback will stop, and where one can initiate short trade in case of gap-down + pullback; and similiarly, where one can initiate long trade after a gap-up+pullback
sorry, it's not googlepages, it's a blogspot chart...

Here's the link

It is of Nifty Spot and it auto-refreshes itself every minute.

WHAT IS IT?
It's a 5min chart of Spot Nifty, with various Exponential Moving Averages.

HOW TO TRADE?
Well, the author of this intraday mechanical system says to buy when Red crosses over Green AND Green crosses over Black. ie Bullish Crossover...
It says to reverse the position when the reverse happens ie Bearish crossover.. BLAH BLAH BALH
<YAWN>

THIS IS ALL KINDERGARTEN STUFF, AND IT'S ACTUALLY JUST ANOTHER "LAGGING" INDICATOR LIKE ANY OTHER TECHNICAL INDICATOR.
Someone may favour MAs more, like I favour RSI more. So, no negative comments about this system. It's like a case of a glass half-filled with water. What you see (half empty or half full) is how u deal with it.


WHY AM I BORING YOU ALL WITH ALL THIS & HOW IT'S CONNECTED WITH GAP OPEN DAYS?
Here comes MY part. I don't wait for crossovers... But, with experience, I know when there will not be a cross-over and how to benefit from it...

First of all, a gap open should be of atleast 40-50 points (visible gap) in any direction.


Let's take an instance of a GAP DOWN OPEN:
In such a case, normally the lines will appear in this order from top to bottom:
Yellow
Orange
Black
Green
Red

I am concerned more with the last two lines: Red & Green...
After a gap down open, it may move further down or it may consolidate. There may be an attempt of pullbacks throughout the day. Intraday traders have to use such pullbacks to enter/initiate short trades.
In this chart, it will appear that RED line is trying to move towards the GREEN line.
WHEN EITHER THE RED LINE OR NIFTY PRICE BAR TOUCHES THE GREEN LINE FOR THE FIRST TIME, THAT IS THE LEVEL TO ENTER SHORT.
Stop should ideally be the Black line; but I would suggest to be with the price chart as is front of you.
I have actually not tested for an ideal stop loss, because in my study of this system in last 6 months, around 8 out of 10 times, THE FIRST KISS OF THE RED & GREEN LINES is respected, and Nifty completes its pullback & resumes its downmove.


GAP UP OPEN:
In such a case, normally the lines will appear in this order from top to bottom:
RED
GREEN
BLACK
ORANGE
YELLOW

Here again, in consolidation & pullback attempts, RED will move down towards GREEN line.
Ultimately, when RED LINE KISSES GREEN LINE FOR THE FIRST TIME, most of the times, there's a U-turn from that level, and Nifty resumes to move upwards. This is where one should go long.
Ideal stop loss is when PRICE moves below Black line.



SOME POINTS TO NOTE:
1. This is not for positional traders. It is meant for pure intraday traders, who know how to use TICK, 1min & 5min charts, for placing ideal stops, and confirming that GREEN line is indeed a decent reversal level.

2. All lines are moving averages - obviously, don't expect a fixed RED/GREEN/BLACK line values.... They change as the day progresses.

3. There's no hard-n-fast rule for targets. Book 1/4 or 2/4 or 3/4 at a level what charts suggests as a reasonable hiccup level, and trail the balance lot...or follow whatever u have been doing.
Answering to Ankit's query too, there's no "mai-ka-lal" mechanical system which DEFINES a target. If u enter long when RSI is sub-30, then u must exit when RSI reaches 70.

4. As mentioned, it's the first kiss/meeting of RED & GREEN lines, where one has to initiate a trade & where Nifty is expected to take a U-TURN.
The 2nd kiss MAY or MAY NOT prove to be contra.
But, I have noticed that on or after 3rd attempt, there's an actual breakout (or breakdown, as the case may be), and price moves towards BLACK line or further.
So, one may use it in such circumstances too...


I have been observing & trading this system for more than 6 months now. I want it to spend 1 month here in CLASSROOM thread, before shifting it to our LIBRARY thread.
But remember, we need decent gap open days...
 
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learn2trade08

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dear ankit,
can you please share your experience with reuters/their cost and kind of indicators available.
thanks

Dear senior members,

I request your kind comments on the following trade, which I could have undertaken today...

At 2:30PM today, on 1 min chart, nifty spot, RSI was looking to break 20 levels. I also use Pivot levels for the day and the spot rate was moving close to R2 of the day which was 2751.4

I wanted to go long at this point(when the spot touches the support and RSI was under 20) as I have seen pivot supports playing crucial role in the trade.

However, due to lack of exp, i was unable to decide any tgt for such support oriented move.

Can anyone throw some light on the same?

I am enclosing the chart that I was viewing.

 

ag_fx

Well-Known Member
dear ankit,
can you please share your experience with reuters/their cost and kind of indicators available.
thanks
Reuters is an amazing package for any kind of TA services, live data feeds etc....
But the sad part is that it is not really affordable by us retail guys.
I have access to it because I work for the treasury of a large nationalised Bank. They usually have corporate licences per machine in the range of $500-$2000 per month(I am not too sure as these details are not divulged to us).


Sunil, thanks for the reply. I understood what you were trying to say and kudos to all what you give to this thread. Wish you & all the co members all the very best.
 
sorry, it's not googlepages, it's a blogspot chart...

Here's the link

It is of Nifty Spot and it auto-refreshes itself every minute.

WHAT IS IT?
It's a 5min chart of Spot Nifty, with various Exponential Moving Averages.

HOW TO TRADE?
Well, the author of this intraday mechanical system says to buy when Red crosses over Green AND Green crosses over Black. ie Bullish Crossover...
It says to reverse the position when the reverse happens ie Bearish crossover.. BLAH BLAH BALH
<YAWN>

THIS IS ALL KINDERGARTEN STUFF, AND IT'S ACTUALLY JUST ANOTHER "LAGGING" INDICATOR LIKE ANY OTHER TECHNICAL INDICATOR.
Someone may favour MAs more, like I favour RSI more. So, no negative comments about this system. It's like a case of a glass half-filled with water. What you see (half empty or half full) is how u deal with it.


WHY AM I BORING YOU ALL WITH ALL THIS & HOW IT'S CONNECTED WITH GAP OPEN DAYS?
Here comes MY part. I don't wait for crossovers... But, with experience, I know when there will not be a cross-over and how to benefit from it...

First of all, a gap open should be of atleast 40-50 points (visible gap) in any direction.


Let's take an instance of a GAP DOWN OPEN:
In such a case, normally the lines will appear in this order from top to bottom:
Yellow
Orange
Black
Green
Red

I am concerned more with the last two lines: Red & Green...
After a gap down open, it may move further down or it may consolidate. There may be an attempt of pullbacks throughout the day. Intraday traders have to use such pullbacks to enter/initiate short trades.
In this chart, it will appear that RED line is trying to move towards the GREEN line.
WHEN EITHER THE RED LINE OR NIFTY PRICE BAR TOUCHES THE GREEN LINE FOR THE FIRST TIME, THAT IS THE LEVEL TO ENTER SHORT.
Stop should ideally be the Black line; but I would suggest to be with the price chart as is front of you.
I have actually not tested for an ideal stop loss, because in my study of this system in last 6 months, around 8 out of 10 times, THE FIRST KISS OF THE RED & GREEN LINES is respected, and Nifty completes its pullback & resumes its downmove.


GAP UP OPEN:
In such a case, normally the lines will appear in this order from top to bottom:
RED
GREEN
BLACK
ORANGE
YELLOW

Here again, in consolidation & pullback attempts, RED will move down towards GREEN line.
Ultimately, when RED LINE KISSES GREEN LINE FOR THE FIRST TIME, most of the times, there's a U-turn from that level, and Nifty resumes to move upwards. This is where one should go long.
Ideal stop loss is when PRICE moves below Black line.



SOME POINTS TO NOTE:
1. This is not for positional traders. It is meant for pure intraday traders, who know how to use TICK, 1min & 5min charts, for placing ideal stops, and confirming that GREEN line is indeed a decent reversal level.

2. All lines are moving averages - obviously, don't expect a fixed RED/GREEN/BLACK line values.... They change as the day progresses.

3. There's no hard-n-fast rule for targets. Book 1/4 or 2/4 or 3/4 at a level what charts suggests as a reasonable hiccup level, and trail the balance lot...or follow whatever u have been doing.
Answering to Ankit's query too, there's no "mai-ka-lal" mechanical system which DEFINES a target. If u enter long when RSI is sub-30, then u must exit when RSI reaches 70.

4. As mentioned, it's the first kiss/meeting of RED & GREEN lines, where one has to initiate a trade & where Nifty is expected to take a U-TURN.
The 2nd kiss MAY or MAY NOT prove to be contra.
But, I have noticed that on or after 3rd attempt, there's an actual breakout (or breakdown, as the case may be), and price moves towards BLACK line or further.
So, one may use it in such circumstances too...


I have been observing & trading this system for more than 6 months now. I want it to spend 1 month here in CLASSROOM thread, before shifting it to our LIBRARY thread.
But remember, we need decent gap open days...
It seems Sunil Bhai has discovered number of gems in trading. Fortunately he is sharing his enormous knowledge with us for which we must be thankful to him. Thank you Sunil Bhai for devoting your valuable time to teach us and make us successful trader.
 
I have been observing & trading this system for more than 6 months now. I want it to spend 1 month here in CLASSROOM thread, before shifting it to our LIBRARY thread.
But remember, we need decent gap open days...
The term Library thread is used several time in this thread what is Library thread can u give me the link to that and I have few more doubts which is not directly linked to this thread but to this site.

1)How u people are browsing this site and posting reply in invisible mode.
2)When I view profile of some senior members like sunil there is no last visited information displyed.
3)is it possible to get the list of highly reputed members by searching this site(In some sites I have seen members list link,But in this website I could not find anything like that).
4)How to thank particular post.

Advance thanks friends for your reply .

:)
 
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