NIFTY Options Trading by RAJ

How do you use OAT tool?

  • For Intraday Naked Options trading

    Votes: 58 37.7%
  • For Intraday Pair trading of Options

    Votes: 27 17.5%
  • For Intraday Futures trading

    Votes: 18 11.7%
  • For Positional Naked Options trading

    Votes: 35 22.7%
  • For Positional Pair trading of options

    Votes: 29 18.8%
  • For Positional Futures trading

    Votes: 11 7.1%
  • To trade in Cash market

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Overall trading has improved with OAT

    Votes: 27 17.5%
  • Understanding of Options has improved with OAT

    Votes: 57 37.0%

  • Total voters
    154
  • Poll closed .

healthraj

Well-Known Member
Hi Raj,

i wanted to know Values given by OAT is correct or not

Here i find banknifty max pain @ 9800.

Regards
Shrisha
You may be right. Just like in NIFTY the XX50 strikes are not having good volumes, In BANKNIFTY also I find that the intermediate strikes are sometimes skipped.

To skip one level Remove BANKNIFTY from the cells BA2:BA20. So if you remove you will get the MAX Pain as 10000. If you include all the Strikes then you might get 9800. Better go with 9800, which should be correct. If 9800 is the MAX Pain then That means we might see 10800 in BANKNIFTY.
 
You may be right. Just like in NIFTY the XX50 strikes are not having good volumes, In BANKNIFTY also I find that the intermediate strikes are sometimes skipped.

To skip one level Remove BANKNIFTY from the cells BA2:BA20. So if you remove you will get the MAX Pain as 10000. If you include all the Strikes then you might get 9800. Better go with 9800, which should be correct. If 9800 is the MAX Pain then That means we might see 10800 in BANKNIFTY.

I wanted to know the logic behind this number

How did you arrive @ 10800 number ??

Current close : 9961

MAX Pain : 9800

MAX OI : 10000-9000
 

VJAY

Well-Known Member
I wanted to know the logic behind this number

How did you arrive @ 10800 number ??

Current close : 9961

MAX Pain : 9800

MAX OI : 10000-9000
Go through the thread ...you can understand it.....Why not you 1st read complete thread?then come with your querries?
 

DanPickUp

Well-Known Member
5850 is not too far fetched for Nifty with current Max pain @5600. It's best to go with naked options is what I have expedience in this series. Call debit spreads for conservative traders
@Option.Trader

Well, that is more easy said then done. As far as BNF and Nifty behaved until now, fine. Now how is your naked selling when it comes to sideways market? How do you protect your self in such cases? And I do not mean: We then take spreads. If you have any time and think it is worth to answer that, then surely many here would be pleased about that.

Take care / DanPickUp
 

toocool

Well-Known Member
Dear OT,

I strongly believe that there is a nexus between FII's and Pro's.
So it is the poor Retail clients who will loose their shirts end of the day.

The below data is based yesterday day trading volumes.

It is the poor retail who are short Nifty,Short call and long puts.

The Pro's are hedged with long in call and short put - see the over all hedge ratio.

Nifty Long/Short Call Put
Retail -23102 -55737 93043
FII' 45375 11853 -51982
Pro's -19665 43384 -41185

Based on OI clients are still long.
Trading holidays may not change trends but they may bring events which can break trends or worse , reverse them. An additional 24 hrs of market suspension ( remember the global mkts will still be working) can wreak havoc given the line up of events we have in the coming week and our shaky currency situation.



you seriously believe markets are/ can be, manipulated ? do you really think there is a nexus between FII AND PROS?

do you believe in god?

i don't , because god dont exist , we create it , because as a curious animals as we are (the humans) we need answers to stuff we observe , and if there is no answers , it doesnt make any sense to our brain, we feel unsatisfied ,we feel uneasiness , just doesnt feel right , so to pacify the mind from the biggest question ,"the existence of universe and earth" god was created in the minds by our pre historic ancestors

same way , we cannot accept the reality that markets are totally natural, random and chaotic(though there is also order in this randomness ,which we can see by technical analysis ) so our minds has to make up for the un-explainable events and moves in the markets , for that we look for news that may have triggered the moves , which basically is not a fact , we create our own reality , that reality also reflects in the prices(for very very short term from 0 minutes to max 3-4 hours without violation of major support resistance) ,by the people who think that , yes certain news ,if comes , will be positive/negative for the markets , and those people on the arrival of the news take their chances to make position at the time , when you see some up or down movement of the markets , but that move mostly is very very short lived and lasts upto from 0 minutes to maximum 2-4 hours(biggest of news items ,and mind you very very rare ) , when those stupid people have done what the thought they ought to , markets does just what it ought to .but its mostly seen that in those times too markets do not take out the major support resistances created on the charts , (the main trends never change with news )

not only this in real life also we create reality for ourselves , Stephen hawking talked about it in his book "The Grand Design" , though this was observed by scientist much earlier , in the field of quantum physics , and in turn in our universe and in our life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

watch this amazing video , on how we create a new reality

also do you know the fractal information of the cotton prices daily chart for some 100 years data(which covered 2 world wars , depressions , progressions , droughts and what not), , has been found exactly same as the fractal information , of the Mississippi , Ohio rivers upto the 3 or 4 decimal points , which means the price is a function of the natural movements of the markets regardless of any news , or economics of a country , watch a phd GUY BILL WILLIAMS TALK ABOUT IT in the video below , watch upto atleast 22-25 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tTq12QoaMA
 
@Option.Trader

Well, that is more easy said then done. As far as BNF and Nifty behaved until now, fine. Now how is your naked selling when it comes to sideways market? How do you protect your self in such cases? And I do not mean: We then take spreads. If you have any time and think it is worth to answer that, then surely many here would be pleased about that.

Take care / DanPickUp
Dan.. i only sell with the trend and keep 20pts Strict Stop loss.. Two set ups that i look out for constantly to choose the strikes... 70L OI ... I mentioned this in an earlier post for 5300 PE when it was trading at around 159
and for more riskier ones.. like today, i went for 5500PE short @ 105(Ideally it had to be done yesterday).. with SL @ 125.. What i have observed with Option writing, a 20 point SL is a moderate indicator of pullback from the original trend

In a sideways market, i see the bigger trend and look at only OI to select the strike to trade.. usually only look to get the decay in time
 
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Dan.. i only sell with the trend and keep 20pts Strict Stop loss.. Two set ups that i look out for constantly to choose the strikes... 70L OI ... I mentioned this in an earlier post for 5300 PE when it was trading at around 159
and for more riskier ones.. like today, i went for 5500PE short @ 105(Ideally it had to be done yesterday).. with SL @ 125.. What i have observed with Option writing, a 20 point SL is a moderate indicator of pullback from the original trend
And i really dont believe in spreads.. i think its waste of time with our markets as liquidity exists only in the near term contracts and premiums are ridiculously high for future months.. You could work out a strategy like how Raj or Linkon may have done, but it would mean looking at the terminal at all times which i dont have access or luxury to do during market hours.. i do the next best thing by trying to play the trend.. Futures as envisioned by Jamit is more rewarding, but the swings take hte joy out of futures trading.. SL is too hazy for me with futures
 

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