NIFTY Options Trading by RAJ

How do you use OAT tool?

  • For Intraday Naked Options trading

    Votes: 58 37.7%
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    Votes: 27 17.5%
  • For Intraday Futures trading

    Votes: 18 11.7%
  • For Positional Naked Options trading

    Votes: 35 22.7%
  • For Positional Pair trading of options

    Votes: 29 18.8%
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    Votes: 11 7.1%
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healthraj

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Hi Raj,

Thanks for your strategy, details explanation around it and superb followup.

I am new to trading and analyzing different strategies for me to trade on, however I am still new and but nervous to short Call and Put.

Wanted to know if any extreme downsides of shorting options?

also I find the Chart you are posting very useful to under stand with markers you have places on it.

Can you please tell me which values you are considering for 5 trend lines that you have placed along with dashed blue trendline.

Thanks again for extra efforts you are putting to improve others knowledge.

regards,
Mandar
Market moves in a Random fashion. But our human mind will always want to think in an harmonic fashion and tries identify with worldly objects or patterns like Line, Triangle, Rectangle, Square, Semi circle. Our human mind cannot visualize a Random pattern because we have not learnt those shapes in the school.

So at the end of the day we Try to FORCE FIT the Markets RANDOM Movement into some Trend so that we can find out the Resistance and Support Levels and Initiate our Positions.

Recently I am trying to Fit market movement into a Polynomial curves. Polynomial curves is simply a curve with an order or Degree...

If you take Polynomial curve of
Degree 1 - Straight line
Degree 2 - Two lines - One UP and One DOWN
Degree 3 - Three lines (If the stock had three movements UP or DOWN)

So if you take a Lower time frame chart like 10 min Chart and if you plot 80 10min candles normally it will represent the stocks movement for a Day or Two and So minimum you should one or two movements. Meaning it would not have a moved in a straight line. So it would be good if you can plot the major trend as the 2 degree curve and the minor Trend as a 3 degree curve. The 3 degree curve should be give you the lead as to what is going to happen next, basically the Reversal indicator.

Likewise if you plot 80 hourly candles, then you will be plotting the values for at least 6 or seven days. So you will have at least three Trends or Lines. So it would be better to plot the Major Trend using a 3 degree curve and plot the minor Trend using 4 or 5 degree curve.

When I post the chart you will be able to understand what I am talking. I will try and post the charts this evening.

So the idea is to move away from Looking at the Market movement as a linear Trend and to look at them as different waves. This will not completely address the Randomness of the market. But at least we can move away from the Order 1 to Order 2,3,4,5,6 based on the Time frame.
 

healthraj

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Market moves in a Random fashion. But our human mind will always want to think in an harmonic fashion and tries identify with worldly objects or patterns like Line, Triangle, Rectangle, Square, Semi circle. Our human mind cannot visualize a Random pattern because we have not learnt those shapes in the school.

So at the end of the day we Try to FORCE FIT the Markets RANDOM Movement into some Trend so that we can find out the Resistance and Support Levels and Initiate our Positions.

Recently I am trying to Fit market movement into a Polynomial curves. Polynomial curves is simply a curve with an order or Degree...

If you take Polynomial curve of
Degree 1 - Straight line
Degree 2 - Two lines - One UP and One DOWN
Degree 3 - Three lines (If the stock had three movements UP or DOWN)

So if you take a Lower time frame chart like 10 min Chart and if you plot 80 10min candles normally it will represent the stocks movement for a Day or Two and So minimum you should one or two movements. Meaning it would not have a moved in a straight line. So it would be good if you can plot the major trend as the 2 degree curve and the minor Trend as a 3 degree curve. The 3 degree curve should be give you the lead as to what is going to happen next, basically the Reversal indicator.

Likewise if you plot 80 hourly candles, then you will be plotting the values for at least 6 or seven days. So you will have at least three Trends or Lines. So it would be better to plot the Major Trend using a 3 degree curve and plot the minor Trend using 4 or 5 degree curve.

When I post the chart you will be able to understand what I am talking. I will try and post the charts this evening.

So the idea is to move away from Looking at the Market movement as a linear Trend and to look at them as different waves. This will not completely address the Randomness of the market. But at least we can move away from the Order 1 to Order 2,3,4,5,6 based on the Time frame.
In the Hourly chart, presented above, The Major Trend is a Polynomial curve of Degree 3. So you can see that it is not a Straight line. Till 16 Sep the Trend was Down and then from 17-sep, the Trend is UP.

The Dotted lines is the minor Trend which is Polynomial curve of Degree 5. On 22/23-SEP you can see that even though the MAJOR Trend is STILL UP, the Minor Trend gave you the Reversal Signal from the TOP. And you can see 3 curves in the Minor Trend.
 

healthraj

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NIFTY

In LTF Reversed around 8005 and Generated a BUY. Support around 8004.

HTF Support - 8008. - Minor Trend is Down. Major Trend is UP.

Daily Futures Trend- Major UP. Minor Down.
Major - Support @ 8037. Resistance 8358
Minor Support @ 7902. Resistance @ 8146

Looking at the OCT-14 Options Data. MAX OI @ 8000-8200.

With LTF Reversing to UP, One can BUY and Look for HTF and Daily Minor Trend to Reverse. Have Strict Stoploss of 7980.
 

healthraj

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BANKNIFTY

In LTF Showing Signs of Reversal around 15790. Trend is STILL DOWN.

HTF Support - 15869. - Minor Trend is Down. Major Trend is UP.

Daily Futures Trend- Major UP. Minor Down.
Major - Support @ 15997. Resistance 16782
Minor Support @ 15647. Resistance @ 16164

Looking at the OCT-14 Options Data. MAX OI @ 16000-17000.

One can BUY Around 15790 with a Strict Stoploss of 15750.
 

healthraj

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OCT-14 Trade 1
In the Month of SEP-14, I did not take any Trades, since I was fine tuning my system.

My First Trade in OCT-14 Series.

Looking at the Major Trend in Daily Charts, The Range Seems to be 8066 - 8372.

So I am selling the Pair 8000-8400 for a Combined Premium of 120. 8000PE@101. 8400CE@19.

My Bias is UP
 

healthraj

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NIFTY

In LTF Reversed around 8005 and Generated a BUY. Support around 8004.

HTF Support - 8008. - Minor Trend is Down. Major Trend is UP.

Daily Futures Trend- Major UP. Minor Down.
Major - Support @ 8037. Resistance 8358
Minor Support @ 7902. Resistance @ 8146

Looking at the OCT-14 Options Data. MAX OI @ 8000-8200.

With LTF Reversing to UP, One can BUY and Look for HTF and Daily Minor Trend to Reverse. Have Strict Stoploss of 7980.
A lot of action in the last 30 minutes. NIFTY Made low of 7950 and a Quick reversal to UP of 70 points. Triggering SELL again in LTF above. Those who were alert should have made some quick points on down side and UP side.

NOW Either 7950 will be Tested again or might TREND UP

Those who monitored INDIAVIX will notice that when the NIFTY was at 7950 VIX was down by around 8%. Now VIX is down by 3%. So I think it is also a confirmation for an UP Move
 
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