Pivot Based Trading - 1:2 risk reward ratio (Risk less Profit more)

trader.trends

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The site that Radha mentioned in one of her earlier post http://pivottrading.110mb.com gives the results of trades taken up under the system. The date is from 25 June till 25 september. When I analysed the result this is what I have:

June had 4 days of trade with all four days resulting in profits. Profits of 1% on two days and 2% on the other two days.
July had 13 days on which the trades were triggered. 11 days of profit and 2 days of no profit no loss. Profits .25% (1day), .5%(3days), .75%(1day), 1% (2 days), 1.5% (1 day), 2%(3days)
August had 10 days of trade. Profitable days were 9 and one day had no profit/no loss. Profit .5%(3days), .75%(1 day), 1% (2 days), 1.5% (2 days) and 2% (1 day).
September had only 8 days of trade. Perhaps due to many ranged days. Profitable days were 5, loss on 2 days and one day had no P/L. Profit .5%(4days) and 1.5% (1 day).

We have to assume that on the days that there are no reports on the site, trades did not trigger. On some days trade both ways buy and sell have been triggered resulting in enhanced profits as well as diminishing it on some days. The loss days had a loss of .5%.

Overall as you look at 35 days of trade over three months, we see that we have 29 days of profit, 2 days of loss and 4 days of no loss/profit. One thing that comes through shining is that .5% (20 points) of profits is assured on profitable days. So exiting part at .5% profits and trailing the balance would have yielded good results over the last quarter.

Hence Radha's title Risk Less Profit More seems apt as 82% of days result in profits, 5% of days on loss and 13% of days on no profit/loss

These are my calculations based on the performance report available on the site. Any errors in analysis are mine
 
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Radha
Few questions for you
I visited your website
http://pivottrading.110mb.com/dailyReport/profitReport.php
1. Which of the three method we are using?
2. Can you tell me from where I can download ohlc report for a month for nifty so that I can backtest? bhavcopy is giving me the report with all the future and then from the excel i have to remove the extra data. I just want the nifty data
3. Which broker are you using to trade nifty and which ones do you recommend?
 

trader.trends

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NSE site is a good source for the information on OLHC at EOD
Home > F&O > Market Information > Historical Data > Contract-wise Data
But it will not give you intraday data on NF for one month which is what you need, to see where the market was trading between 1025 and 1030 to apply the pivot formula.
 

columbus

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NSE site is a good source for the information on OLHC at EOD
Home > F&O > Market Information > Historical Data > Contract-wise Data
But it will not give you intraday data on NF for one month which is what you need, to see where the market was trading between 1025 and 1030 to apply the pivot formula.
Another source,but for Nifty, is again NSEINDIA website.
Home>Indices>IISLproducts and Services>Statistics.
 

radha55

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Nifty Futures Profit for 5th october 2009.

At 10:25 - 10:30 am, the price of Nifty Futures was around 5035 - 5040.

This is between S1(5043.45) and S2(5017.05).

So as per rule, we buy above Pivot and sell below S2.

Sell below S2(5017) triggered at 2:55 pm.

0.5% Target = 4991.915 (low for today was 4995).
lets say we got chance to square of at 5000.

So profit = 5017 - 5000 = 17 points.

Profit of 500+ with one lot of nifty.
 

radha55

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Nifty Futures profit for 6th october 2009.

At 10:25 - 10:30 am, the price of Nifty Futures was around 4963 - 4973.

This is between S1(4984.36) and S2(4960.23).

So as per rule, we sell below S2 and buy above Pivot(5019.18).

Sell triggered at 10:40am.

0.5% Target = 4935.2 (achieved).
0.75% Target = 4922.8 (achieved).
1% Target = 4910.4 (not achieved).

Also, buy triggered at Pivot(5019) at 2:35pm.

0.5% target = 5044.095 (achieved)

So profit for today = 0.75% + 0.5% = 1.25% = 63 points.

Profit of 3000+ with one lot of Nifty
 

radha55

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Nifty Futures profit for 8th october 2009.

At 10:25 - 10:30am, the price of Nifty Futures was around 4985 - 5000.

This is between Pivot(5006) and S1(4933).

So as per rule, we buy above Pivot and sell below S1.

Buy triggered at 11:32 am.

0.5% Target = 5031.03 (achieved)
0.75% Target = 5043.545(achieved)
1% Target = 5056.06(not achieved)

So profit for today = 0.75% = 38 points.

Profit of 1500+ with one lot of Nifty
 

radha55

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Nifty Futures profit for 9th october 2009.

At 10:25 - 10:30 am,
the price of Nifty Futures was around 4980 - 4990.

This is between Pivot(5008.57) and S1(4965.14).

So as per rule, we buy above Pivot and sell below S1.

Sell below S1(4965) triggered at 12:oo pm.

0.5% Target = 4940.175 (achieved)
0.75% Target = 4927.7625 (achieved)
1% Target = 4915.35(not achieved).

So profit = 0.75% = 37 points.

profit of 1500+ with one lot of Nifty.
 
Excellent thread on Pivot based trading by Radhaji.
Following are my personal views only.
Radhaji and others can comment if anything not acceptable.

Cons :
1) Many a times such strategies are discussed with convincing results for sometime and after few months the strategy doesn't work as before.
(Perhaps more people started following !!!)

2) For the above strategy to work better, the position sizing is critical. One can follow saints threads to understand position sizing concepts.

3) Real time execution of this strategy is more difficult than we think.

4) As someone indicated, this strategy coupled with some chart reading may improve the results.

5) Works well mostly in trending markets.

Pros

1) Simple and neat technique.

2) No need to have real time charts, datafeed etc. Just calulate the points at 10.30 and follow the ticks to trade. (Line charts may be ok)

3) Excellent for beginners.

rgds
Vikrum
 

radha55

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Nifty Futures profit for 12th october 2009.

At 10:25 - 10:30 am,
the price of Nifty futures was around 4970 - 4980.

This is between Pivot(4961.68) and R1(5000.31).

So as per rule, we buy above R1 and sell below Pivot.

Initially sell triggered at Pivot(4961).

0.5% target = 4936.195(not ahcieved)
0.5% stoploss = 4985.805(hit).

so loss = 0.5% = 25 points.

Now Buy triggered at R1(5000).

0.5% Target = 5025 (achieved).
1% Target = 5050 (achieved).
1.5% Target = 5075 (achieved). (high was 5075). (difficult to book profit at this level)

so we consider profit = 1%.

Total profit for today = -0.5% + 1% = 0.5%.

So profit of 1000+ with one lot of Nifty
 

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