Quadra Safe Trading Strategy - I

Dear SG,

Just went thru the whole thread! This appears to be really safe system. Definitely a boon for traders not very technically adept.

I have EOD data from 2010 and would certainly like to contribute efforts for back-testing the equities.

Do let me know if I can be of help in any other way.

Yash
 

SavantGarde

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Sir looks like a very good system.
As I am kind of new to trading, will try to understand the trailing stop you suggested.

Thanks
Hi Manoj,

Go through the first post of the thread....there are some links to particular posts and couple of the links are the documentation posted so far in two parts....couple more shall be posted today...!!!

Also a few posts earlier there is a link STER.SWF download it and see actual example of Entry, Initial S/L, TSL, Re-entry and done through Bar Replay available in AB...!!!


SG
 

SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
Dear SG,

Just went thru the whole thread! This appears to be really safe system. Definitely a boon for traders not very technically adept.

I have EOD data from 2010 and would certainly like to contribute efforts for back-testing the equities.

Do let me know if I can be of help in any other way.

Yash
Hi Yash,

Thanks a lot for helping out with backtesting when it is started....!!!

It has been a great challenge to try and come up with Quadra which will suit most Traders/Investors, there is much that needs to be completed still...though the basic System is in place so far...!!!


SG
 

Satyen

Well-Known Member
Hi SG Sir ....
As Sunday was going through some old posts here came across a thread By Velluri ......

Drawing conclussion entry is not that important ..... we can have low risk entries and may fail say 60 % of time but when we get trend then drink last drop of that trend

So MM is most important ??? Though it is not related to the thread but want to know your views etc


Link to thread :
http://www.traderji.com/swing-trading/40202-trading-ranges-13.html#post542891

Making a Holy Grail out of a Common Trading System

After testing and trading innumerable trading systems, I conclude that there is no system which is Holy Grail in itself. Having said that it is possible to make a system which works in varied conditions by selecting any common mechanical trading system. Many members especially seniors who have a fancy of writing trend following systems have given us some mechanical systems. On backtesting of buy/sell signals with a fixed lot most of them perform very pathetically and give negative expectancy of returns.

Now the question is how to make a trading system work profitably for us. Turtles traded very simple trend following system profitably by incorporating good money management techniques. These techniques included effective adds (scaling in) and exits. They used ATR of 1.5 to add to their existing positions and trailing stop of same or higher ATR.

My quest for searching a workable system which is quite understandable to common trader is ended when I found that any common system can be made profitable by using MM techniques used by Turtles.

I have carried out random tests using trend following systems ie Kama System, ATR Volatility systems on 30 min intraday data using MM techniques.
Even 315 strategy is using effective Adds to net profits.

Let us get on job, how to effectively use these techniques.

1. When Buy/sell signal is generated. Buy/sell into the scrip in the ratio 4:2:2:1:1:1:1. To elaborate, Initial buy = 4 lots, subsequent Adds 2 lots, then 2 lots, then 1 lot, then 1 lot etc.

2. How to add to positions. We add only to winning positions and at no time, we will try to average the trade.

3. 1st ADD is at 2 ATR+initial position price. Second Add is at 1.5 ATR+1st ADD price. Third Add is at 1.5 ATR+2nd Add price. and so on. and we continue adding to positions until an exit triggers.

4. How to set exit. Stop Loss for initial position is Initial Entry Price minus 2 ATR in case of Buy. Stop Loss is Initial Entry Price plus 2 ATR in case Sell signals. After entering the trade, if the price hits stop loss, simply exit the trade and book losses on initial lot size of 4.

5. When Add1 is triggered and entered, move the stop to entry price. When Add2 is triggered (assuming the trade is not exited on hit of entry price), move the Stop to Add1 point. When Add3 gets triggered (assuming the trade is not exited on hit of Add1. and so and on.

6. How to handle gaps. If the trade is in profit at the end of day, exit 50% of holding lots at EOD and carry remaining positions to next day. If next day,
gap is in favour of our trade, keep the stop at opening price minus 1.5 ATR. Keep adding positions in the same ratio, as we are holding full positions.
If Gap against our position, keep stop at opening price minus 1.5 ATR. If the stop is hit, exit full position else keep moving stop at every favourable move of 1.5 ATR.


7. Booking Profits. Gap in favour of trade by 2 ATRs. Exit 50% of lots at opening price in order to take partial profits off the table. First bar or any bar moved in favour by 2 ATRs. Exit 50% of lots so as to lock in some profits. If Sell signal is generated before hitting stop loss, exit whole of positions and initiate reverse trade with initial quantity.

8. In a nutsell, it is mechanical by rules without any emotions involved in it. Buy signal is generated. Simply buy 4 lots. Then place Stop Loss and Add1 entries in the system. If stop is hit, exit the trade. If Add is triggered, move the stop to initial position.

Hope I made rules simple to understand and apply.

Let us study an historical chart of BankNifty using this method. The chart is deliberately choosen in such a way that Banknifty exhibited sideways movement most of the time. If this system works well during such sideways movement, it would do wonders during trending times.

Backtest revealed a profit of Rs.48,650 (including brokerage+slippage) during the month of testing. 6 winning trades and 10 loosing trades out of a total of 16 trades. Consequitive wins are 2 and consequitive losses are 5. Largest looser is Rs.21,200. Largest winner is Rs.51,350. The drawdown is Rs.26850
on an account of Rs.5 lac. Maximum position holding is 10 lots.

I welcome critical view of the system and any suggestions for its improvement



With warm regards,
veluri
 

SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
Hi SG Sir ....
As Sunday was going through some old posts here came across a thread By Velluri ......

Drawing conclussion entry is not that important ..... we can have low risk entries and may fail say 60 % of time but when we get trend then drink last drop of that trend

So MM is most important ??? Though it is not related to the thread but want to know your views etc


Link to thread :
http://www.traderji.com/swing-trading/40202-trading-ranges-13.html#post542891
Hi Satyen,

Most traders problem is not the Entry.... but the Exit....!!!

Whether it is a coincidence or something else....next part of document is actually on MM & Position Sizing ...which I finished a little earlier....before a friend called and I was on the phone for almost an hour...!!!

MM & Position Sizing is very much part of Quadra... without MM no System or Strategy can ever have positive expectancy....!!!

Anyways, expect the couple of Documentation to be posted a little later today....!!!


SG
 

Satyen

Well-Known Member
Hi Satyen,

Most traders problem is not the Entry.... but the Exit....!!!

Whether it is a coincidence or something else....next part of document is actually on MM & Position Sizing ...which I finished a little earlier....before a friend called and I was on the phone for almost an hour...!!!

MM & Position Sizing is very much part of Quadra... without MM no System or Strategy can ever have positive expectancy....!!!

Anyways, expect the couple of Documentation to be posted a little later today....!!!


SG
Thanks Sir waiting for the Documentation .....

Coincidence or anything else dont know actually :D :D , was just thinking how can i make low risk entries to big trends and how can i make most while in a trend as posted earlier in Daily/5 min thought
 

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