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uasish

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#81
Asishda, I did not mean that. For day trading stocks volume is an essential element, like I too provided links and uploads in previous posts. On NASDAQ I take positions in pre-market and usually get the bucks in frst 15 min. only.

But this being more of a beginners thread I want to advice every1 to stay away in the frst/last 15 minutes. The volatility is too much to handle for a scalper where each tick matters. Quite often circular/arbitrague trades take place and there volume may be misinterpreted for buying/selling volume. This was pretty much the case in TCS around 3 pm. The market was moving nicely but the stock became dull.

Thanks for sharing the chart.
Got your Point.
 
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uasish

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#82
The Strategy:

I am sharing here a method by which I learned scalping. I have discussed it with many pro scalpers and it works well for most people. If you haven't read the previous primer about four most important factors, read it here: http://www.traderji.com/day-trading-stocks/22291-scalper-s-forum-7.html



1. Trade with 1 share at a time or the minimum size until you seemingly become profitable. Don't think about paper trading, even when starting, trade with real money.

2. The moment you take a position assume that you are wrong, unless the market proves you right. This means the moment you buy, your sell window must be popped up with the size and price you want to exit. If the stock moves towards the exit you simply press sell button. If however, the stock moves towards your target price exit by placing the offer. I have illustrated for buying but vice versa for going short.

3. Practice exiting trades at no-loss: using a 1-2*RF target. Always remember you should not take a position when you can't expect that movement. For that you need two stops: 1/3*RF soft stop (mental stop) and a one RF hard stop. Never allow the market hit your hard stop. Exit by moving your target toward your hard stop, not by moving your hard stop towards your target. With time, all of this must become a reflex. You wont always be able to keep your losses down to soft stop, but only on rare occasions should you find yourself letting the market hit your hard stop. (Rarely means only about once every 50-100 trades after you get the hang of it.)
Even though your entries wont be good enough in the beginning to make a profit trading these tight soft stops, your entries will gradually improve until you turn the corner and become profitable.
Learn exits and entries separately.
Dont let the one influence the other.
Taking losses this way takes dedication and discipline, so stick with it. Its the key to confident trading. If you never take large losses (and rarely medium size ones), the fear of loss pretty much goes away, and your confidence grows. Especially after your entries improve enough to support a scalping type exit strategy.

4. Every trade in all market conditions begins as a scalp. Let me clarify this: if youre in a choppy market and youre looking to get small gains, like a point or so, manage your initial hard and soft stops exactly the same way you would in a quick trend or any other type of market. That means keeping losses as close to 1/3*RF as possible, taking lots of break even trades and exiting every time the market doesnt give you instant gratification (within a minute or so).
No matter what the market is doing, you must demand that it moves in your favor right after you enter, otherwise you get out as close to break even as possible. This means youll be closing a lot of trades near break-even within the first minute. This is the foundation of learning to trade for consistent gains.

5. Dont worry about the commissions on no-loss trades. If you do, youll hold on to losing positions, begging them to turn around for you. This is called *hoping.* In this business, this type of *hoping* is the kiss of death. Your money-making trades must move your way in the first minute or less. When trades dont act right in the first minute, most of them will hit your hard stops.
So dont get hung up on the fact that your broker loves you. Who cares if he/she makes a living?
Your concern is limiting losses. I care more about this than anything else in trading. (Well-timed entries make my tight soft stops possible, so theyre almost as important as the exits.)

6. Practice your entries until your timing is so good that you can reasonably expect the market to go your way immediately, before it goes more than 2 ticks against you. This is not easy at first, but if you stick with it, youll get it.

7. Rarely, if ever, chase the price for your entries. Wait for a pullback to get onboard a trend.
I favor shorts over longs I can get out of a short position quicker than I can get out of a long position. I dont know why. I like to say that I see gravity better than helium. In the rare strong-trending markets where I may chase an entry, its going to be a down trend, not an uptrend. I dont trust up trends enough to chase them. Maybe its just a personal quirk and maybe not. I honestly dont know.
But its interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders Ive met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs. You should give it some thought and find out which direction works better for you. Are your losses bigger on shorts or longs?

8. Never let a gain turn into a loss. This will mean getting out of most trades a little (or a lot) too soon. You just have to live with it. Swing for home runs (greed) will ruin your trading. Do not search for a mechanical formula , (such as, move your stop to break even after you get 3 ticks gain) that will work. You have to develop a feel for how the market is acting at the moment, and use your feel to reduce your target or advance your hard stop. This comes with experience.

Gr8 stuff ,plz keep them coming.
 
#84
I can get out of a short position quicker than I can get out of a long position. I don’t know why. I like to say that I “see gravity better than helium.” In the rare strong-trending markets where I may chase an entry, it’s going to be a down trend, not an uptrend. I don’t trust up trends enough to chase them. Maybe it’s just a personal quirk and maybe not. I honestly don’t know.
But it’s interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders I’ve met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs.
Shorts are better no doubt. many traders thinks the same. this is the fact that markets generally takes more time to rise than fall.


I favor shorts over longs… In the rare strong-trending markets where I may chase an entry, it’s going to be a down trend, not an uptrend. I don’t trust up trends enough to chase them. Maybe it’s just a personal quirk and maybe not. I honestly don’t know.

You should give it some thought and find out which direction works better for you. Are your losses bigger on shorts or longs?
My opinion differs here.
Being biased is absolutely fatal. though shorts are juicier.
 

Cactus

Active Member
#85
I favor shorts over longs… I can get out of a short position quicker than I can get out of a long position. I don’t know why. I like to say that I “see gravity better than helium.” In the rare strong-trending markets where I may chase an entry, it’s going to be a down trend, not an uptrend. I don’t trust up trends enough to chase them. Maybe it’s just a personal quirk and maybe not. I honestly don’t know.
But it’s interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders I’ve met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs.
Know why..........??

Stock market Mantra.........

..............Throw it down..........Pull it back...........:)
direction doesn'n matter......... u know ur stop well. ;)
 
#86
The Strategy:

I am sharing here a method by which I learned scalping. I have discussed it with many pro scalpers and it works well for most people. If you haven't read the previous primer about four most important factors, read it here: http://www.traderji.com/day-trading-stocks/22291-scalper-s-forum-7.html



1. Trade with 1 share at a time or the minimum size until you seemingly become profitable. Don't think about paper trading, even when starting, trade with real money.

2. The moment you take a position assume that you are wrong, unless the market proves you right. This means the moment you buy, your sell window must be popped up with the size and price you want to exit. If the stock moves towards the exit you simply press sell button. If however, the stock moves towards your target price exit by placing the offer. I have illustrated for buying but vice versa for going short.

3. Practice exiting trades at no-loss: using a 1-2*RF target. Always remember you should not take a position when you can't expect that movement. For that you need two stops: 1/3*RF soft stop (mental stop) and a one RF hard stop. Never allow the market hit your hard stop. Exit by moving your target toward your hard stop, not by moving your hard stop towards your target. With time, all of this must become a reflex. You wont always be able to keep your losses down to soft stop, but only on rare occasions should you find yourself letting the market hit your hard stop. (Rarely means only about once every 50-100 trades after you get the hang of it.)
Even though your entries wont be good enough in the beginning to make a profit trading these tight soft stops, your entries will gradually improve until you turn the corner and become profitable.
Learn exits and entries separately.
Dont let the one influence the other.
Taking losses this way takes dedication and discipline, so stick with it. Its the key to confident trading. If you never take large losses (and rarely medium size ones), the fear of loss pretty much goes away, and your confidence grows. Especially after your entries improve enough to support a scalping type exit strategy.

4. Every trade in all market conditions begins as a scalp. Let me clarify this: if youre in a choppy market and youre looking to get small gains, like a point or so, manage your initial hard and soft stops exactly the same way you would in a quick trend or any other type of market. That means keeping losses as close to 1/3*RF as possible, taking lots of break even trades and exiting every time the market doesnt give you instant gratification (within a minute or so).
No matter what the market is doing, you must demand that it moves in your favor right after you enter, otherwise you get out as close to break even as possible. This means youll be closing a lot of trades near break-even within the first minute. This is the foundation of learning to trade for consistent gains.

5. Dont worry about the commissions on no-loss trades. If you do, youll hold on to losing positions, begging them to turn around for you. This is called *hoping.* In this business, this type of *hoping* is the kiss of death. Your money-making trades must move your way in the first minute or less. When trades dont act right in the first minute, most of them will hit your hard stops.
So dont get hung up on the fact that your broker loves you. Who cares if he/she makes a living?
Your concern is limiting losses. I care more about this than anything else in trading. (Well-timed entries make my tight soft stops possible, so theyre almost as important as the exits.)

6. Practice your entries until your timing is so good that you can reasonably expect the market to go your way immediately, before it goes more than 2 ticks against you. This is not easy at first, but if you stick with it, youll get it.

7. Rarely, if ever, chase the price for your entries. Wait for a pullback to get onboard a trend. Chasing is among the most serious sins newbies make. Its interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders Ive met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs. Risk/reward mechanics differ in long versus short. Learn to turn the difference to your advantage.

8. Never let a gain turn into a loss. This will mean getting out of most trades a little (or a lot) too soon. You just have to live with it. Swing for home runs (greed) will ruin your trading. Do not search for a mechanical formula , (such as, move your stop to break even after you get 3 ticks gain) that will work. You have to develop a feel for how the market is acting at the moment, and use your feel to reduce your target or advance your hard stop. This comes with experience.
good one
waiting for the next
 

rkripal

Well-Known Member
#87
The Strategy:

I am sharing here a method by which I learned scalping. I have discussed it with many pro scalpers and it works well for most people. If you haven't read the previous primer about four most important factors, read it here: http://www.traderji.com/day-trading-stocks/22291-scalper-s-forum-7.html



1. Trade with 1 share at a time or the minimum size until you seemingly become profitable. Don't think about paper trading, even when starting, trade with real money.

2. The moment you take a position assume that you are wrong, unless the market proves you right. This means the moment you buy, your sell window must be popped up with the size and price you want to exit. If the stock moves towards the exit you simply press sell button. If however, the stock moves towards your target price exit by placing the offer. I have illustrated for buying but vice versa for going short.

3. Practice exiting trades at no-loss: using a 1-2*RF target. Always remember you should not take a position when you can't expect that movement. For that you need two stops: 1/3*RF soft stop (mental stop) and a one RF hard stop. Never allow the market hit your hard stop. Exit by moving your target toward your hard stop, not by moving your hard stop towards your target. With time, all of this must become a reflex. You wont always be able to keep your losses down to soft stop, but only on rare occasions should you find yourself letting the market hit your hard stop. (Rarely means only about once every 50-100 trades after you get the hang of it.)
Even though your entries wont be good enough in the beginning to make a profit trading these tight soft stops, your entries will gradually improve until you turn the corner and become profitable.
Learn exits and entries separately.
Dont let the one influence the other.
Taking losses this way takes dedication and discipline, so stick with it. Its the key to confident trading. If you never take large losses (and rarely medium size ones), the fear of loss pretty much goes away, and your confidence grows. Especially after your entries improve enough to support a scalping type exit strategy.

4. Every trade in all market conditions begins as a scalp. Let me clarify this: if youre in a choppy market and youre looking to get small gains, like a point or so, manage your initial hard and soft stops exactly the same way you would in a quick trend or any other type of market. That means keeping losses as close to 1/3*RF as possible, taking lots of break even trades and exiting every time the market doesnt give you instant gratification (within a minute or so).
No matter what the market is doing, you must demand that it moves in your favor right after you enter, otherwise you get out as close to break even as possible. This means youll be closing a lot of trades near break-even within the first minute. This is the foundation of learning to trade for consistent gains.

5. Dont worry about the commissions on no-loss trades. If you do, youll hold on to losing positions, begging them to turn around for you. This is called *hoping.* In this business, this type of *hoping* is the kiss of death. Your money-making trades must move your way in the first minute or less. When trades dont act right in the first minute, most of them will hit your hard stops.
So dont get hung up on the fact that your broker loves you. Who cares if he/she makes a living?
Your concern is limiting losses. I care more about this than anything else in trading. (Well-timed entries make my tight soft stops possible, so theyre almost as important as the exits.)

6. Practice your entries until your timing is so good that you can reasonably expect the market to go your way immediately, before it goes more than 2 ticks against you. This is not easy at first, but if you stick with it, youll get it.

7. Rarely, if ever, chase the price for your entries. Wait for a pullback to get onboard a trend. Chasing is among the most serious sins newbies make. Its interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders Ive met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs. Risk/reward mechanics differ in long versus short. Learn to turn the difference to your advantage.

8. Never let a gain turn into a loss. This will mean getting out of most trades a little (or a lot) too soon. You just have to live with it. Swing for home runs (greed) will ruin your trading. Do not search for a mechanical formula , (such as, move your stop to break even after you get 3 ticks gain) that will work. You have to develop a feel for how the market is acting at the moment, and use your feel to reduce your target or advance your hard stop. This comes with experience.

nice post, keep teaching us...

rk
 

rkripal

Well-Known Member
#89
hey trader,

what should be the size of trade for a bigginer of scalping.. and should we exit the entire trade after the target is achieved or shuld hold some for more profit?

rk
 

rkripal

Well-Known Member
#90
The Strategy:




7. Rarely, if ever, chase the price for your entries. Wait for a pullback to get onboard a trend.
Chasing is among the most serious sins newbies make. Its interesting to note that most (not all) professional traders Ive met are Bears and prefer short positions over longs. Risk/reward mechanics differ in long versus short. Learn to turn the difference to your advantage.

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Hi Trader111

thanks for the great stuff....
nice point trader, see this habit of chasing price can be wrong in case of fake breakout....

here i have attached today's chart of essaroil... seeing a breakout at around 206.5. couldnt enter at tht price. and thn decided to chase it and got in at 208.5, where i should have been booking profit of early entry. its not matter if breakout is fine, but u may have to bite nails in case of false breakout. see where i get stopped out :mad:
 

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