SHORT CALENDAR SPREAD : target - 10 to 20% Return On Investment

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#41
It depends on our timeframe for the trade. I feel, lot of you are trying to trade the market on Monday.. but what if we want to take slightly longer view and encashing on the high volatility and the oppotunity that is created by most of the people/media / tv gurus out there.

What would happen if we create a June Short straddle or strangle and collect 400+ premium. This short straddle/strangle will be winner not just due to time decay but also due to fall in volatility.

Happy Trading
I tried trading the next months options 20 days before.... its filled with price gaps thanks to the low liquidity. Of course this month was different. There was too much liquidity in options. I ended trading options instead nifty futures this past week.

I prefer to initiate a short straddle with nifty futures as hedge about 10 days before the next series begins... That is my fav.
 
#43
I dont see any reason to be sarcastic....
U er new to this forum dear friend........ Pasha is one of my old friend here in the traderji....;) Hope pasha can understand the reasons:D


Most welcome, perhaps you could add it to your list of sure shots and charge for it?:D
Thanks :D for the kind concern
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#44
hi

i new to options, i am just buying put options or call options but never sold call
sold 3700 call may at 145?
means you short sell 3700 call or buy put 3700.
can you put some light on it.
if it is writing 3700 call at 145 plz sir can you tell how to write, i am desperate to learn writing.
thanks in advance
kabir
Dear Kabir,
I think u r desperate to make quick money. Options is a sure shot way of losing money if u are not sure of what you are doing. Remember, market has a mind of its own. No one can predict the market direction.

Its like if u toss a coin 5 times and heads came in all five, u think that 6th time will be tails going by law of average. but the sixth time also, the probability remains 50%. if u bet heavily on tails, then there is a 50% chance of losing.

Options is a probability game. When u buy an option, u are betting on the probability of the market moving towards a particular direction. Smart players use this to hedge their positions, something like buying a insurance after u buy ur car. You pay an amount (insurance premium) to the insurance company and in the event your car gets damaged or stolen they pay you the sum assured or the amount required to get your car restored in case of damage.

Options writing puts u in the shoes of the insurance company who is selling you the insurance. Now, Its a probability game. In case the car you insured doesnt get stolen (or damaged ) in the stipulated period of time then you get to keep the premium.

Again i want to point out here that, Options (insurance of the car) is not an asset. Its a contract between 2 persons that expires at the end of the month.

Like wise, when i sell a 3700 may call for 145, i am making a contract in the market that in case nifty rallies above 3700 i will bear the cost of every point nifty raises above 3700. Say the nifty spot closes at 3900 when the may series ends on 28th, i have to pay 200 points. Since i already received 145 as premium, my loss will be 200-145 = 55 points. Now in case the market closes below 3700, then i get to keep the premium.

When you write a option, you are credited the premium amount, but an amount equivalent to the strike price x lot size x no. of lots x margin (required by broker usually 15% max) will be blocked. So if i sell 3700 call may, i receive 145 x 50 =Rs. 7,250 in my account but 3700 x 50 x 1 x 15% = Rs. 27,750 /- will be blocked from my account as margin against the option i just sold. The said margin will require m2m losses if any. which means that,if market gapped up on monday to 3900 levels, a sum of 200 x 50 x 1 = 10,000 /- will be added to the margin as m2m losses.

In case u have any more queries, u can post it here and i'll try to solve it to the best of my abilities. There are plenty of threads on options here and you can read them and get a clearer picture.
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#45
U er new to this forum dear friend........ Pasha is one of my old friend here in the traderji....;) Hope pasha can understand the reasons:D

Thanks :D for the kind concern
Sorry buddy, I thought u were being rude to him....

No hard feelings....
 
#46
Dear Kabir,
I think u r desperate to make quick money. .

Its like if u toss a coin 5 times and heads came in all five, u think that 6th time will be tails going by law of average. but the sixth time also, the probability remains 50%. if u bet heavily on tails, then there is a 50% chance of losing.

Options is a probability game. When u buy an option, u are betting on the probability of the market moving towards a particular direction. Smart players use this to hedge their positions, something like buying a insurance after u buy ur car. You pay an amount (insurance premium) to the insurance company and in the event your car gets damaged or stolen they pay you the sum assured or the amount required to get your car restored in case of damage.

Options writing puts u in the shoes of the insurance company who is selling you the insurance. Now, Its a probability game. In case the car you insured doesnt get stolen (or damaged ) in the stipulated period of time then you get to keep the premium.

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thanks for detailed reply with good example, easy to understand the logic behind options.
i am still a learner and did not decide to trade full time, may be i do full time trade, but sure want to learn options.

you are right those who write a call, gets limited premium and can have unlimited loss ( only suitable for experts) i agree.


in the 1st week of this month i bought put option 3200 but sold it in 3days with some loss, if i keep this for whole month my loss will be all, but if nifty comes below 3200 i will get some profit, undertand,

but what i am looking is, a simple strategy for a mini returns.

suppose if i buy 3900 call option @ 100 Rs ( example) and keep for whole month and if the strike price did not trigged. my loss will be 100 x 50 = 5000
what should i do to minimize this loss and like buying some put options as well.
just to get a limited profit with minimum risk,

i think you got it what i want to say, (minimum risk , limited profit)

pls some advice
thanks
kabir
 
#48
thanks for detailed reply with good example, easy to understand the logic behind options.
i am still a learner and did not decide to trade full time, may be i do full time trade, but sure want to learn options.

you are right those who write a call, gets limited premium and can have unlimited loss ( only suitable for experts) i agree.


in the 1st week of this month i bought put option 3200 but sold it in 3days with some loss, if i keep this for whole month my loss will be all, but if nifty comes below 3200 i will get some profit, undertand,

but what i am looking is, a simple strategy for a mini returns.

suppose if i buy 3900 call option @ 100 Rs ( example) and keep for whole month and if the strike price did not trigged. my loss will be 100 x 50 = 5000
what should i do to minimize this loss and like buying some put options as well.
just to get a limited profit with minimum risk,

i think you got it what i want to say, (minimum risk , limited profit)

pls some advice
thanks
kabir
Hi Kabir,
For Limited Risk - Limited profit, you can buy in the money call and sell out of money call. In the money options have least time value premium and high delta. For eg: Buy 3600 call at premium Rs 250 and Sell 3900 Call at Rs 100. Your cost is Rs (250-100) = 150 which is what the maximum risk is. And your best case max profit scenario is Nifty closing at 3900 at expiry, in which case your profit would be (3900 - 3600)=300 minus Cost(150) that comes to 150 points.
Hope this helps.
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#49
you are right those who write a call, gets limited premium and can have unlimited loss ( only suitable for experts) i agree.

but what i am looking is, a simple strategy for a mini returns.

suppose if i buy 3900 call option @ 100 Rs ( example) and keep for whole month and if the strike price did not trigged. my loss will be 100 x 50 = 5000
what should i do to minimize this loss and like buying some put options as well.
just to get a limited profit with minimum risk,

i think you got it what i want to say, (minimum risk , limited profit)

pls some advice
thanks
kabir
Kabir,
Trust me.... Writing options does not necessarily translate into unlimited risk, just like buying options does not translate into unlimited profit.

Your experience with options is exactly how it is in the beginning. There are unlimited ways to play options. But you have to study it well. there is no short cut to efforts. I earned 58 thousand from options by investing a total sum of 1,25,000 in just 10-12 days. Does make me an expert or does it mean that the strategy i applied is so good that if you tried it, you would be able to make at least 25 thou. I had paper traded it for 4 months. played it with real money in the April series and learnt from that experience. modified my strategy based on my experience and played it this series for the said profit.

Bottom line is, there is no short cut to success. I dont want to point you to a particular direction or strategy because that would make you biased and show un-necessary faith in a strategy that you might not be able to execute. The key word here is execute. You have to develop the ability to have a clear view of the market. Look for strategy on options that meet that scenario...have an exit plan in case the the scenario you thought of doesnt happen.

think about it...if you get returns of almost more than 25%... that too by minimizing risk...i think its worth learning.

study options... and if need be.... we can discuss strategies you liked....
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
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