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shrinivas

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Hi amitda,

I had bought 1000 MTNL at 144 and waited waited to sell them at a higher price...but had to sell 500 at 139 and 500 at 133 as you suggested that the stock would not move further....Chalo, I made a huge loss and this was the biggest loss ever made by me in any stocks..I can see now that it is trading at 155 today...this is largely due to the refund of IT....I'm waiting for it to touch 135 again to buy...is this right....if wrong, what can i buy for the time being for a period of 3-6 months to cover up my losses...what is the future of this stock according to you....

ganeshhity
 
AMITBE said:
Super Spinning (SUPERSPIN) is a Coimbatore based company belonging to the extended family of Lakshmi Machine Works which commands the price of over 20000 per share.
Like Lakshmi Machine, Super Spinning is a strong growth stock with excellent fundamentals. It's also a defensive, low volatility and low liquidity counter.
I've seen low liquidity usually means the promotors hold the bulk of the stock for obvious reasons...Madras Cement, Indogulf Corp, Gujarat Flourochem are examples.
At 399 Super Spinning has been consolidating/accumulating well. It can be accumulated with stop at 390. A slip below 390, though the chances are slim, would give an even better entry at 378-383. This is a mid to long term idea. A couple of quarters would see a strong capital growth.
Amit bhai,Super Spinning touched 390 today. Should it be exited or hold. Entered at 396.

Bharat Forge is making good move:) . CMP 417. You remember closed avove 419 will touch 435 and then further 50 point if crosses 440. I am in at 403.

cheers,
nkpanjiyar
 

AMITBE

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Hi Ganesh...yes, I've been thinking of you, and this huge IT refund was just not expected. The news came out of the blue one morning.

The following is my reply from December 29 when you had first queried MTNL when it was on 142:
AMITBE said:
I have never considered MTNL as being a strong counter, and would exit now. There is not a lot in the company unless it's merged with BSNL.
At that time technically there was nothing in the chart not daily or weekly nor monthly that gave a promise of a future.
On the fundamentals too there seemed no reason to hold it looking at its current available numbers then. In fact there is no analyst, fundamental or technical, worth his name who would give any plus points to the business model or the charts of MTNL.
The EPS from quarter ended Dec '04 to quarter ended Dec '05 has come down from 3.19 to 2.02 and net profit from about 20000 lakhs to 12000 lakhs.
The story is the same with the results of the first half of '04 to first half '05. EPS is down from 7.01 to 5.18. Net profit down from about 44177 lakhs to 32619 lakhs.

On the charts where I have data from January '02 it made a high at 168 in February '02. In January '03 it was down at 82. Again it made a high at 162 in April '04. Then it sank to 106 the next month.
On May 1 '05 it had gradually climbed to 166 and then on May 29 it was down at 111.
Then on Ocober 05 it made a high at 140 and by October 31 it had closed at 109.

In the here and now, following your query on Dec 29 '05 when it was at 144, it peaked at 152 on January 9 '05. You had a good chance of exiting here.
Then again it had slipped to 141 on January 30 when your second query on it came. It had even slipped to 133 on February 3.

My friend, I am terribly distressed that you have gone and lost money on a counter that was an absolute dud to begin with.
I am even more distressed that you sold it finally, as it unfortunately turns out at my calling, at a time when the news of a huge income-tax refund came to swing it back up. Not that there is any uplift in the company on account of restructuring or merging with BSNL etc. It continues to be a dud by any account.
But finally I am distressed to the extreme at the fact that you did not exit at the high around 152 on or around January 9, which was well after my first advice of caution in the quote above from Dec 29.
And now you are in this loss not quite really on account of my say so, but more on account of a bad choice of investment in a bull market, and then hanging on to the trade when caution was given and a decent exit not taken when the opportunity came.
The market is a merciless place and one can only susrvive and profit from it with careful study, judgement, skill and ready wits.

I do so much hope you will recover your losses soon, but the hope is greater that you will make better stock selection and spend time studying the art of investment, trading, risk management etc.
There is no other way here in the markets, my friend.

I do pray you will recover the money lost, and I'll do all I possibly can to help select a few good stocks going ahead.

Do take care of yourself.
 

AMITBE

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saamy said:
you seem to have missed my question once again, anyway i sold tata coffee today @ 373.
Hi saamy...nothing personal, but it got buried in the pages again. You can always pm if this happens.

You did very well to exit nice and high.
Now at a pull back look for supports lower down at 358-355-350-345 or thereabouts for re entry. Besides a falling market there could still be some upside left as longer term is still bullish, but we'll have to see when it corrects.
Follow up if you like.
Regards.
 

AMITBE

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nkpanjiyar said:
Amit bhai,Super Spinning touched 390 today. Should it be exited or hold. Entered at 396.

Bharat Forge is making good move:) . CMP 417. You remember closed avove 419 will touch 435 and then further 50 point if crosses 440. I am in at 403.

cheers,
nkpanjiyar
Hi NK...Both Bharat Forge and Super Spinning are long term stocks in my portfolio besides Lakshmi Machine Works, Financial Technologies, Tata Power and Tata Tea besides a few from way lower levels.
Besides these long term investments, I maintain position in a few others off and on, periodically entring and exiting them, mostly the same ones, like Bharti, McDowell, JP Assiciates, Infotech Enterprises, Rolta, Unichem Labs, Gateway, Aegis, Gammon and a few others. It's a simple and an effective system that works for me as I know these counters well and am able to follow their trends easily while taking sizeable positions each time.
I also move in and out of several trades simultaniously in the short term on anything that catches my attention.

I had recently twice called Bharat Forge just as it was preparing the next leg of its move up each time. I believe you caught the second one and slightly high after checking with me, a few days ago. I had mentioned this as a wealth creator in the mid to long term and it will get there...well above what I had put down. With my entry a s/l is no issue but you may want to keep it at 394 or 402.
On Super Spinning...my wife happens to be from Coimbatore from the extended family and they are personally known. As I'd written then, this too is a long term strong growth story. From 155 on Dec 31 '04 to 410 Dec 29 '05 is about 170% up. Price action follows financial performance as we know.
Now it's been in sideways consolidation since November last in a range getting quite narrow. The charts per se don't suggest an immediate buy, but that would come soon. The call was was more tilted towards the fundamentals with the charts suggesting an opportunity in the near term.
The stop suggested was quite conservative and as also suggested in the call, 378-383 could turn out an even better entry should the market keel.
So...the story is there as are the levels, so it's your call or anybody else's if interested.
Today was a dipping market and may get tricky ahead, so take care.
All the best.

Oh by the way...I have position in every call I make.
 
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AMITBE

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Shanti Gears has been stirring a couple of days and starting a move now at 69 plus...but on a difficult day.
However it needs to take out 71-73 to get a move on.
Stop is the same...below 62-63.
 

shrinivas

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Dear AmitDa,

Thanxx for your quick reply,

I'm not in market throughout the day...It was however a lesson to be learnt..thought a costly one, I'll be a well informed investor anyway...no worries,I know profit and losses are the name of the game....but upto where, I remember, after I bought it for 144, I was waiting it to touch 150 (which never came)..then after it dipped below 136, I was waiting it to reach 140...anyway, even if it had gone 152 after my purchase, I was not aware of the same......I'm an office employee and have no idea of the very current prices of each moment.....I was happy to view your quick reply...never mind amitda, I have made profits from last 1 year and would therefore never cry for this loss....will try to forget it at the earliest....what should i buy now..or should i hold back my money....if mtnl touches 135 again, is it a buy..

sincerest regards,
ganeshhity
 

AMITBE

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Hi ganeshhity...you are indeed a man of guts and understanding, and I'm a very relieved man to see this.
Yes, it's a problem for those doing jobs during the day to keep a track of their holdings.
And yes, I'll certainly be making suggestions down the line past this uncertain period.
But not MTNL my friend...even it breaks above all it's long term resistances, it doesn't have a long way to go, and we are after big moves in this bull market.

Keep up the sprit, Ganesh...and many blessings be upon you from the Lord of you name.
 
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