Stocks To Keep A Close Eye On

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Re: Stocks To Keep A Close Eye On - Chapter II

Sir,

Buying Price of Shree Cement have been shown as 1870.40, you mean to say we have to just Buy or Sell as soon as the Market opens irrespective of any other factors.

Hi Karanm,
As explained by Anant sir earlier wait for the price to touch intra day high of the triggered day and then buy it after some retracement. Here, the intraday high for Shreecem on trigger day (20th aug) is 1950+. It is safe not to enter into it until it touches that price. It may happen that it won't retrace much afterwards. But it is always better to miss a gainer instead of catching a loser. Thanks.
 
Re: Stocks To Keep A Close Eye On - Chapter II

Hi Karanm,
As explained by Anant sir earlier wait for the price to touch intra day high of the triggered day and then buy it after some retracement. Here, the intraday high for Shreecem on trigger day (20th aug) is 1950+. It is safe not to enter into it until it touches that price. It may happen that it won't retrace much afterwards. But it is always better to miss a gainer instead of catching a loser. Thanks.
Sir, on 23/8/2010 Price never touched the High of 20/8/2010, then how Buying was done at 1870/- Kindly inform
 

fjl24

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Re: Stocks To Keep A Close Eye On - Chapter II

Hi Anant

Just thinking aloud.

Based on what has been discussed on both the mother thread as well as here and trying to keep things simple - it was always been said that taking out the high of the signal day signifies strength so once you get a signal as per your AFL the next day one puts a buy trigger at the high or a couple of ticks above the high of the bar on which the trigger is received on a consistent basis for all entries would it be a bad idea.

The basic objective would be to keep things simple as well as avoid running behind a trade at the time of entry - I myself am guilty of this act.

I do understand that someone may point out what happens if there is a gap up and the scrip falls the next day or what happens if there is a gap down and then the scrip moves in your favour and takes out the high - i guess this is a trade-off which one needs to take unless he/she has sufficient time to sit in front of the terminal and wait for that entry point the whole day long.

Just my 2 cents - would love to hear on the practical front from you and Savant.

Regards
Floyd


Hi Karan,

The answer to your questions on this page:

The entry/exit technique has been explained by Savant on several pages in this and the mother thread on different occasions. In a nutshell it is as follows:

Let us say the trigger was generated on day T0.

When you get a Buy signal, you will be trading it next day (day T1). On the trading day, observe the price movement. If it touches or exceeds the previous day's High (day T0) then you can trade on day T1. When the price on day T1 reaches or exceeds the high of day T0, wait for the price to come down and then take an entry. It is not possible to give exact entry price. It is left to the individual.

If on the day T1, the price does not reach the high of day T0 but trades below it for the whole day, then don't enter but wait for next day (day T2). On next day again same technique. Wait for the price to reach or go above the high of day T1 (not T0) and wait for retracement and then enter.

If the price does not retrace, enter at any convenient price.

This is a general rule. If you have confidence that the stock is going up then you need not wait for the high of T0. You can enter at any convenient price on T1 even if the price does not reach high of T0.

The Buy price I am using in the updates are not real trade prices. I am just taking the mean of Open and Close as buying price. I assume most traders would enter anywhere within the Open and Close. A few lucky ones may actually trade at or near the low and the unlucky ones may enter near the high. But the difference will not matter much especially when the target is reached. This is how I got the entry price of SHREECEM.

Now, coming to why it was taken though the price did not reach previous high. This is where your judgement comes in. What I have done (and doing when posting the triggers) is to look at the Support and Resistance. For SHREECEM I will explain it with its chart below:



In this chart of SHREECEM the mean price is plotted instead of OHLC. The price plot is the grey colored line. There are four other colored lines labelled R1, R2, R3 and S1. These colored lines are Support/Resistance lines.

In the beginning of April, the price has peaked and then started falling. From the peak price the resistance line R1 is plotted. This is the first level restance and is the strongest resistance will be observed at this line. The price goes on moving away from this R1 and therefore a second resistance line R2 is drawn from a lower peak. Likewise we have one more resistance level R3 drawn from a still lower peak. The last line S1 is drawn from a trough and it is a support line. This will give strongest support to the price till it is broken downwards. Later on when price goes on increasing we will be able to draw more support lines which will be above S1. You can see how the price tries to reach the resistance levels and falls back to lower levels. Once a resistance line is broken and price moves above it, that resistance itself becomes a support.

In the beginning of August the price has finally broken above R3 twice. In the first attempt it has fallen back to lower levels but in second attempt it has reached a higher level. Though it is again falling after the second peak, it has not broken the R3 (which is now a support) and still above S1. There is a possibility that it will take the support and bounce back and break above R2 also. Finally it has to break above R1 where it will find highest restance and once it happens it will start shooting up.

Because of this analysis I have taken the Buy signal in SHREECEM and taken the trade even though the previous day high was not broken. It is quite possible that my analysis may go wrong and price may fall below S1. In that case we will exit and wait for a new low and turn around from there to get an entry.

The technique I have described above is not yet fine-tuned. Therefore I have not discussed it yet. One of its limitations is that it can not be applied to all the stocks across the board. We have to detect the turning points for each stock and draw the S/R lines for individual stock. Therefore, I first screen with 20 MA and apply this technique to only those stocks which have given a BUY/SELL in 20 MA filtering. Only those which pass this second filtering are posted. That is why many times you see some of the triggers which you get in 20 MA filtering are not posted by me.

-Anant
 

asnavale

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Re: Stocks To Keep A Close Eye On - Chapter II

Hi Anant

Just thinking aloud.

Based on what has been discussed on both the mother thread as well as here and trying to keep things simple - it was always been said that taking out the high of the signal day signifies strength so once you get a signal as per your AFL the next day one puts a buy trigger at the high or a couple of ticks above the high of the bar on which the trigger is received on a consistent basis for all entries would it be a bad idea.

The basic objective would be to keep things simple as well as avoid running behind a trade at the time of entry - I myself am guilty of this act.

I do understand that someone may point out what happens if there is a gap up and the scrip falls the next day or what happens if there is a gap down and then the scrip moves in your favour and takes out the high - i guess this is a trade-off which one needs to take unless he/she has sufficient time to sit in front of the terminal and wait for that entry point the whole day long.

Just my 2 cents - would love to hear on the practical front from you and Savant.

Regards
Floyd
Hi Floyd,

Savant has answered in the above post. I am just adding my bit.

Yes, the basic principle is to Keep Things Simple. But it is not universal and rigid rule. It can be changed, modified or bent as per convenience if you know what you are doing and its consequences. Just an anlogy: In cricket you tell the batsman to wait for the bad ball and punish it. No fishing outside the off stump, watch your foot work, hit the ball along the ground etc. etc. This is ok for a beginner. Can you tell this to a player like Tendulkar or Sehwag? They have the capacity to hit any ball any where at any time. They can write their own rules. This ability comes with experience. It does not mean that they never make a mistake and get out. It does happen because despite all precautions, experience and judgement things do go in a different direction and against you. So, it is better for a beginner to follow the rule book. The experience teaches you what you can do beyond the rule book.

As you said it is possible to give a trigger price and execute the trade without constantly following the price to get an entry. This is especially useful for those who can not sit in front of the terminal during trading hours. But for those who can sit and watch the screen, the rules can be relaxed.

-Anant
 
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