Teach A Man To Fish And.........

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Hi SKG,

Option 3: Definite no........Your ongoing trade just confirmed that you were right.Probably could add,depending on how charts shape up at that time.But no way are we going to wait till then to put in that initial buy.

Option 2:Looks like a short below this area where you marked.........yes,so long as the particular stock stays above this point,we are in sideways mode.Staying above this point,but below the arrow mentioned as Option 1 means we do not put in a trade.We wait and watch.

Option 1:This is where I would look to reenter long provide it can take out that previous pivot high as mentioned in the chart.We got our low(where the Option 2 arrow is pointing),we now have a higher pivot low.But we don't know we have one till the stock/index goes above that previous pivot high as pointed by the Option 1 arrow.

So where we stand as per the chart attached by yourself is:If the index/stock dumps to below the Option 2 arrow,short with your stop loss at the pivot pointed by the Option 1 arrow.

If the index/stk goes above the pivot marked as Option 1,Buy with your stop at recent pivot lows.

If the index/stk does neither,sit on hands time.Sidelines.Wait and Watch.Entry only once the direction of the flow is clear cut...Our job is to assess the direction of the flow,and then to Go with the Flow.

All the best!
Saint
Dear Saint,

This is my first letter to you. I must thank you for helping people like us. Great job done.
For last one week I have been reading and trying to understand your "teachings" about fishing a fish and happy that I have learnt a lot though many things are to be cleared as yet. Because of my location, job nature and knowledge in share trading, i don't go for daytrading or swingtrading but in position trading only. Normally I use "limit" option facility of ICICIDIRECT.com wherein I can put my BUY/SELL signal the previous night.

In the present chart, I would request you to clarify some points. When you say, " If the index/stk goes above the pivot marked as Option 1,Buy with your stop at recent pivot lows".

My queries are,

1) When you say index goes above the pivot, is it the intra day movement above the pivot (i.e.shadow ) at which we have to buy the stock or closing high (i.e. bar) above the pivot? Because the stock may go above the previous pivot high (marked by pink arrow) momentarily during the day and settle lower (Closing) than that.


2) Shall we consider pivots or highs/lows for drawing trendlines?


3) I have observed that whenever we consider longer time frame (say 2 yrs) on a weekly or daily chart, the trendlines appear to be steeper (on the screen) than that with shorter time frame , say 6 months or 3 months, for same pivot highs or lows. Would you please tell me which time frame is the best for weekly and daily charts to draw trendlines?


I shall be glad if you clarify these doubts.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Raju
 
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Dear Saint,

This is my first letter to you. I must thank you for helping people like us. Great job done.
For last one week I have been reading and trying to understand your "teachings" about fishing a fish and happy that I have learnt a lot though many things are to be cleared as yet. Because of my location, job nature and knowledge in share trading, i don't go for daytrading or swingtrading but in position trading only. Normally I use "limit" option facility of ICICIDIRECT.com wherein I can put my BUY/SELL signal the previous night.

In the present chart, I would request you to clarify some points. When you say, " If the index/stk goes above the pivot marked as Option 1,Buy with your stop at recent pivot lows".

My queries are,

1) When you say index goes above the pivot, is it the intra day movement above the pivot (i.e.shadow ) at which we have to buy the stock or closing high (i.e. bar) above the pivot? Because the stock may go above the previous pivot high (marked by pink arrow) momentarily during the day and settle lower (Closing) than that.


2) Shall we consider pivots or highs/lows for drawing trendlines?


3) I have observed that whenever we consider longer time frame (say 2 yrs) on a weekly or daily chart, the trendlines appear to be steeper (on the screen) than that with shorter time frame , say 6 months or 3 months, for same pivot highs or lows. Would you please tell me which time frame is the best for weekly and daily charts to draw trendlines?


I shall be glad if you clarify these doubts.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Raju
If I try to give answers to questions posed towards Saint, I hope Saint wouldn't mind provided that I have become so nice a fan of his after reading his post "Teach a man to...".

Guys, I must admit that it's a piece of jewell that Mr Saint has created. I've read it some 5-6 times from first to last till now and believe me every time I read it afresh, I discover some 2-3 vital points that I left out in the previous reading.

Ans to Q 1) Since u don't do intraday trading, by principle, u shudn't make trades based on 2 mins or 5 mins or 15 mins data. Never ever mix two timeframes. Whatever decision u have to take, say buy/sell (because of pivot crack on the upside/downside) take it based on EOD charts and not on intraday movements.
But once u r into trade, put ur stoploss daily using the "limit option" as u mentioned and that will be based on ur previous to previous bar's low. That means, if your previous 2 bar's low is cracked on the downside even on intraday movement and even if momentarily, never hold on to that trade. Immediately get out.

Ans to Q2)U shud draw trandlines connecting pivots only.

Ans to Q3)That's obvious, because, over the long term any share price always trends up. Which timeframe u will use for drawing trendlines will depend on what is the timespan for ur trading. If u r planning to maintain ur holdings for 6-12 months, u shud draw trandlines on 2-3 yrs chart and if u r planning to trade for 1-2 week u shud draw trandlines on 1-2 months data.

Saint, pls point out if I've committed any error in answering the qs. Ur valuable addition to these will definitely add to our knowledge base.

Cheers
d j sinha
 
If I try to give answers to questions posed towards Saint, I hope Saint wouldn't mind provided that I have become so nice a fan of his after reading his post "Teach a man to...".

Guys, I must admit that it's a piece of jewell that Mr Saint has created. I've read it some 5-6 times from first to last till now and believe me every time I read it afresh, I discover some 2-3 vital points that I left out in the previous reading.

Ans to Q 1) Since u don't do intraday trading, by principle, u shudn't make trades based on 2 mins or 5 mins or 15 mins data. Never ever mix two timeframes. Whatever decision u have to take, say buy/sell (because of pivot crack on the upside/downside) take it based on EOD charts and not on intraday movements.
But once u r into trade, put ur stoploss daily using the "limit option" as u mentioned and that will be based on ur previous to previous bar's low. That means, if your previous 2 bar's low is cracked on the downside even on intraday movement and even if momentarily, never hold on to that trade. Immediately get out.

Ans to Q2)U shud draw trandlines connecting pivots only.

Ans to Q3)That's obvious, because, over the long term any share price always trends up. Which timeframe u will use for drawing trendlines will depend on what is the timespan for ur trading. If u r planning to maintain ur holdings for 6-12 months, u shud draw trandlines on 2-3 yrs chart and if u r planning to trade for 1-2 week u shud draw trandlines on 1-2 months data.

Saint, pls point out if I've committed any error in answering the qs. Ur valuable addition to these will definitely add to our knowledge base.

Cheers
d j sinha
Dear sinha,

Thanks for your reply. Shall be in touch.

Regards,

Raju
 
Dear Saint. I have just started learning abt stock market this year 2007. I feel really fortunate to visit this site . For the past 20 days i am going through your posts and always felt really happy abt the way you were helping out forum members.Infact i am bit embarrased because even though i could not understand it so cleary unlike other board members who seems to have got a hunch of it..

I could not understand how to find the trend because it seems complex coz of following..once if you clarify these points i think i can understand a bit more

1. first of all where do we get to see weekly charts ? (i am sorry if this is a insane question but i really dont know ...moneycontrol has some charts but its not easy to analyse)
2. suppose i want to invest in some XYZ scrip ..is there any time frame for this scrip after which this becomes tradable..for eg a newly listed scrip will not give us much idea due to unavailabilty of data
3.how many weeks should i consider?


extremely sorry for these kind of doubts
but this is where i am
really a novice..could nt even ask better doubts
 
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