Technical Analysis for Beginners

AW10

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Hi Everyone
I have just started learning candlestick patterns and was just curious about how to interpret them. Like in the following chart i have marked the Hanging Man pattern (i hope i have marked that right?). One condition of the Hanging Man says that the volume should be on the higher side when the Hanging Man reversal pattern forms, but it is not the case in this chart.:confused: Can anyone explain on how to go about it?

Hanging Man is Bearish reversal pattern. It needs to be observed wrt. The typical bar should look like Higher tail on top, and small body (preferably RED body).

If this pattern comes in consolidation zone, then it looses the significance. It shd come after a bullish wave to indicate bearish reversal to the downside.

Psychology behind this is - bullish enthu took the prices to higher level, and made higher high.. but then selling pressure came in.. and pushed the prices .i.e. bulls back.. and so much back that majority of gain is exhausted today. It tells us the shifting of mkt control from bulls to bears.

The 2nd bar from right, and another bar at x axix = S (almost in the middle of the chart) are real hanging man. It is like somthing is hanging from top.. and big upper tail show the rope.

The confirmation comes on next day, when bears dominate the day and give us another Red candle.

Hammer is exact opposite of Hanging man which is bullish reversal pattern. The bar that u have marked may qualifies for this theoratically. but for me it doesn't cause it is appearing after upmove.. I would like to see a hammer after some falling RED bars. Like 6th bar after the bar that u marked.

Generally both these pattern have small body. but important to observe the ratio of the the bottom/upper tail to the days whole range.

In learning candle patterns, try to focus on the psychological aspect of analysis.. It will improve ur understanding to a large extent. It is not mugging up the rules of a CS Pattern.. real trading goes far beyond that.. and at the end of the day.. mkt in short term is nothing but the display of the psychological action take by various participants.

Happy Learning and profitable trading
 
Hammer is exact opposite of Hanging man which is bullish reversal pattern. The bar that u have marked may qualifies for this theoratically. but for me it doesn't cause it is appearing after upmove.. I would like to see a hammer after some falling RED bars. Like 6th bar after the bar that u marked.

Hi AW10
In the chart that i have posted, there is an upward trend from middle of March to Middle of May. After that a candlestick is formed which is looking like a hanging man (as the shadow is twice the real body and it is formed on top of an uptrend). And we also get the confirmation on the next candlestick when it opens gap down and then there is a downtrend from last week of May 2008 to August 2008 first week. So, this is a hanging man right?


The 2nd bar from right, and another bar at x axix = S (almost in the middle of the chart) are real hanging man. It is like somthing is hanging from top.. and big upper tail show the rope.

The confirmation comes on next day, when bears dominate the day and give us another Red candle.
Yes, there is a hanging man in middle of September '08, but we get the confirmation only in October first week. Please correct me if i am wrong?

In learning candle patterns, try to focus on the psychological aspect of analysis.. It will improve ur understanding to a large extent. It is not mugging up the rules of a CS Pattern.. real trading goes far beyond that.. and at the end of the day.. mkt in short term is nothing but the display of the psychological action take by various participants.

Happy Learning and profitable trading
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AW10

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Seems, you are confused with the position of shadow on the bar.
For hanging man, the shodows (or tail) shd be on upper side.. and for
Hammer, the shodow (or tail) shd be on lower side.

So the bars that you have marked as hanging man.. is not HMan but a Hammer.

This is my opinion formed after placing the psychological reasoning behind it, and that's how I indentify HMan / Hmmr.. and ignore them when they occure at wrong place. At the end, I am risking my money on next bar.

I love these 1 bar CS setup, cause they offer the lowest risk entry. Your stop is just at the other end of HMan/ Hammer.

Happy Trading
 
Seems, you are confused with the position of shadow on the bar.
For hanging man, the shodows (or tail) shd be on upper side.. and for
Hammer, the shodow (or tail) shd be on lower side.
Hi
But, what i have read in Japanese Candlestick Charting Techniques by Steve Nison is that both Hanging Man and Hammer look alike.
Hanging Man looks like a hanged man, so the tail should be on the lower side
A Hanging man is a bearish reversal pattern which occurs in an uptrend and a Hammer is a bullish reversal pattern which occurs in a downtrend

Here is a pic from investopedia -
 
Thanks..............................
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Dear Friends,

Welcome.

Its no wonder how a successful trader, is successful always and everytime.
Because his fundamental knowledge is STRONG and he keeps learning and refreshing them day in and day out.

In order to begin our successful trading, we need to strengthen our fundamentals first.

Fundamentals include study of trends, chart patterns, various technical indicators and finally a good trading strategy.

I will try to post these fundas one by one so that everyone especially beginners keep visiting the thread to refresh their fundas.

As the thread becomes voluminous, I will try to edit this post to include various topics covered in this thread so that we can have ready reckenor instead of going through allaround.

ADX

MACD (Just scroll down it is discussed in this same page)

Moving Average crossover (Just scroll down it is discussed in this same page)

Pivot Points (It is discussed in this same post, just scroll down)

Relative Strength Index (RSI) (just scroll down it is discussed in this same page)

Some tricks of fibonacci can be learnt here http://www.hardrightedge.com/wheel/hrefibtricks.htm

Is it make a sense?

Fibonacci trading strategy on a daily basis. Look at two key retracement lines: the 61.8% and 50% fib retracements. Call this zone the "hot zone". Pay close attention when prices retrace or pullback to this zone.

Uptrend strategy: In an uptrend, Let prices to retrace below the 50% fibonacci retracement but close above the 61.8% retracement. If the hot zone acts as a key support zone, enter a long position with a 3-5 tick stop below the 61.8% retracement line. Exit most of position at the previous swing high.

Downtrend strategy: In a downtrend, let price to retrace back to the 50% fibonacci retracement line but not close below the 61.8% retracement. Look for the hot zone to act as a key resistance level. Enter a short position using a 3-5 tick stop above the 61.8% retracement. Exit most of position at the previous swing low.

Just remember this: 61.8% for an uptrend & 50% for a downtrend. These are the two main levels.






My humble request to seniors to add and share their views on the indicator if any changes/improvements are needed.

Todays post is :-

Pivot Point Trading


You are going to love this lesson. Using pivot points as a trading strategy has been around for a long time and was originally used by floor traders. This was a nice simple way for floor traders to have some idea of where the market was heading during the course of the day with only a few simple calculations.

For beginners I would suggest this link before going further what I am going to say http://www.traderji.com/day-trading...-risk-reward-ratio-risk-less-profit-more.html (Thanks to Radha55)


The pivot point is the level at which the market direction changes for the day. Using some simple arithmetic and the previous days high, low and close, a series of points are derived. These points can be critical support and resistance levels.

The pivot level and levels calculated from that are collectively known as pivot levels.

Every day the market you are following has an open, high, low and a close for the day (some markets like forex are 24 hours but generally use 5pm EST as the open and close). This information basically contains all the data you need to calculate the pivot levels.



The reason pivot point trading is so popular is that pivot points are predictive as opposed to lagging. You use the information of the previous day to calculate potential turning points for the day you are about to trade (present day).

Because so many traders follow pivot points you will often find that the market reacts at these levels. This give you an opportunity to trade.

For Pivot calculator if you like then visit the following site(I personally use it on regular basis) :-

http://www.calloptionputoption.com/opivotpointcalc.html

Just by having the previous days high, low and close you eventually finish up with 7 points, 3 resistance levels, 3 support levels and the actual pivot point.

If the market opens above the pivot point then the bias for the day is for long trades as long as price remains above the pivot point. If the market opens below the pivot point then the bias for the day is for short trades as long as the market remains below the pivot point.

The three most important pivot points are R1, S1 and the actual pivot point.

The general idea behind trading pivot points is to look for a reversal or break of R1 or S1. By the time the market reaches R2,R3 or S2,S3 the market will already be overbought or oversold and these levels should be used for exits rather than entries.

A perfect set up would be for the market to open above the pivot level and then stall slightly at R1 then go on to R2. You would enter on a break of R1 with a target of R2 and if the market was really strong close half at R2 and target R3 with the remainder of your position.



This all looks pretty straight forward.

Unfortunately life is not that simple and we have to deal with each trading day the best way we can.


There are loads of ways to trade using pivot points but I shall walk you through a few of them and discuss why some are good in certain situations and why some are bad.

The Breakout Trade

At the beginning of the day we were below the pivot point, so our bias is for short trades. A channel formed so you would be looking for a break out of the channel, preferably to the downside. In this type of trade you would have your sell entry order just below the lower channel line with a stop order just above the upper channel line and a target of S1. The problem on this day was that, S1 was very close to the breakout level and there was just not enough meat in the trade. This cab be a good entry technique for you. Just because it was not suitable this day, does not mean it will not be suitable the next day.



The Pullback Trade

This is one of my favorite set ups. The market passes through S1 and then pulls back. An entry order is placed below support, which in this case was the most recent low before the pullback. A stop is then placed above the pullback (the most recent high - peak) and a target set for S2. The problem again, on this day was that the target of S2 was to close, and the market never took out the previous support, which tells us that the market sentiment is beginning to change.



Advanced

As I mentioned earlier, there are lots of ways to trade with pivot points. A more advanced method is to use the cross of two moving averages (post on moving averages will follow shortly)as a confirmation of a breakout. You can even use combinations of indicators to help you make a decision. It might be the cross of two averages and also MACD must be in buy mode.

When the market passed through S1 and then retraced to the S1 line again. It then formed a channel. At around this time we had a cross of the averages, MACD signaled buy and there was a breakout of the channel line. This gave a great signal to go long with a target of the original pivot line.

Mess around with a few of your favorite indicators to help determine an entry around a pivot level but remember the signal is a break of a level and the indicators are just confirmation.



We haven't even got into patterns around pivot levels or failures but that is not the point of this lesson. I just want to introduce another possible way for you to trade.

Good Trading


Yours
veluri1967
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AW10

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Hi
But, what i have read in Japanese Candlestick Charting Techniques by Steve Nison is that both Hanging Man and Hammer look alike.
Hanging Man looks like a hanged man, so the tail should be on the lower side
A Hanging man is a bearish reversal pattern which occurs in an uptrend and a Hammer is a bullish reversal pattern which occurs in a downtrend
vmonu, you are right. I have to chk back the basic definition of HGman / Hammer.. and theoratically they are same, so u are doing right. With experience of real trading, I had improved the theoratical definition and that's what I use in my trading.. That is what I have mentioned in prev posts.

When I am looking for reversal after a bullish move.. then I don't want to see hammer/HGman there with lower tail.. but a want to see upper tail to indicate that bears are getting control.

Sorry, I my explanation has confused u... But hope that still gives u insight into how to trade the setup and when to ignore them.

To convince youself, do the backtest on 2 different approaches and see the result yourself. Theoratical approach may give whipsaw and more false entries, but the modified approach that I had mentioned, will give cleaner trades (ofcourse, there might be some loosing trades but success rate is higher)

Happy Trading
 

veluri1967

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Trading the Trend versus Countertrend

Why is it important to know the trend versus the countertrend?

Bulls and Bears are two very powerful forces on the bourses.

When we take bullish profitable trade, we must also be aware that Bears another powerful force is loosing. The story does not end there. Actually it begins there. When we book profits, the trend becomes countertrend. Here the bears try all their mighty strength to test the force of trend.

Thus, when we trade, it is easy to see that markets fall faster than they move up. We may be in a trade for weeks, riding the profits up, only to see it
wiped out within a matter of days. The market moves up for four days only to give it all back in one long down day and for the market to finally establish its bearish tone downward. Thatz the power of Bears.

Trend versus countertrend will constantly establish how you interact
with the markets and what you will do if the market fails your expectations.

I am a Bull and I respect you Bear.

Forearmed is forewarned.
 

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