Thoughts on Day/Swing Trading Part 2

manishchan

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3) Excessive leverage : Most traders blow their accounts due to excessive leverage. They will take positions double or triple in size than what their capital warrants...so small drawdown and they go underwater.
Smart_trade
Thanks for this awesome post ST Da :thumb:. Can you also throw little light on the Leverage thing please ? While not taking leverage would be the best thing a trader can do but some take it because they have small capital while others take it to raise their trading capacity (with thought of higher benefit). So what should be the ideal leverage one should take ? Like.. lets say I trade 2 lots of nifty which with no leverage would cost around 70K. With brokers giving 50% margin, how much should my money be to trade 2 lot ? 35K, 50K or full 70K ? Is there some calculation like expectancy calculator thingy ? :)
 

Gaur_Krishna

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Dada Aapne to SIXER laga diya.....
SIX reasons why Traders are doomed to Fail.
But one observation I want to add is, if these guys (me too in that.....:lol:) take advantage of Income Tax return filing and stick to better learning, then all this loss can be recovered in due course of time.

Tom Basso took 5 years to see his first green quarter,so we too will take some more time...

Regards,
Gaur_Krishna

WHY Most New Traders Fail Within 6-12 months

Till about a year back I used to trade from my own trading office. But on Diwali Muhurat day, I used to go to my broker's office on an invitation from him and participate in Muhurat trading and the festivities. The dealing room used to be full with smart looking guys ( few girls too ) and I used to find them brimming with confidence and talking about tips service, operators,sure shot method etc as if everyone has figured out everything about the market.

But on next Muhurat day the earlier lot of smart traders is missing and we have a fresh lot of traders.Broker used to say " Nayi fasal ayi hai..agle saal tak kat jayegi" meaning new crop has come...it will get cut by next year. I always used to wonder why so many intelligent and smart guys go burst in first 6 months or a year. As I came in contact with more traders, I found tat some of the reasons for this high rate of failure is because of the following :

1) Most come to trading thinking that this is a career for making big money with little or no work....just press F1/F2 and make money.

2) Most people think that their returns will grow exponentially or atleast in linear path. This is not true, there are very good patches in the market and there are also very bad periods or sideways choppy periods where maintaining the same returns is difficult. On has to understand and accept this fact.

3) Excessive leverage : Most traders blow their accounts due to excessive leverage. They will take positions double or triple in size than what their capital warrants...so small drawdown and they go underwater.

4) Trading on borrowed capital : After 6 months in the market, people think that they have figured out everything which is required to be known in the market. Hence to increase their profits, they borrow with the promise of 5 to 7 % per month or 60-80 % per annum returns from people and on that borrowed capital . And this is done by not new guys but guys with little experience.

This high returns can be achieved in few good months but no honest business activity can sustain that kind of returns.If it was possible to make those returns, Tata would not put up a factory to manufacture cars or Bajaj would not manufacture motorcycles...they instead will hire a big hall and put up array of computers and smart traders behind those computers.

5) Overconfidence : If you see the record of road accidents, most fatal serious accidents are done not by new learning drivers...but by experienced and overconfident drivers.Similarly accidents in trading are by little experienced and overconfident traders.

6) Markets change and good traders have to adapt themselves to changed market conditions. In driving a car, we dont press the accelerator paddle all the time...we need to use brakes, shift gears to lower gears . To change as per the market needs experience of trading different types of markets.Trader has to use different methods and techniques to trade different types of markets as a skilled craftsman will use different tools according to the job he is working on.

Just thought of sharing these observations so that nayi fasal agle saal tak kat na jaye....:)

Smart_trade
 


Posted above is 5 min Nifty Fut chart of today 09-04-2014.

Market opened with a gap up but the gap sold off and bulls and bears tried their strength till point A where bulls clearly took the control from bears and started calling shots.

At point B as shown in the VWAP difference, the bears went berserk and went for covering of their short positions no matter what the price was ...adding fuel to the fire and that helped NF to trend up till the end.....

Smart_trade
 

XRAY27

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ST da,

What is the best performance for a system( intraday) for Nifty and Banknifty points wise according to your experience...
 
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Respected Smart Trade, Whenever you have free time kindly make me understand the following thing

On 26th mar 2014

nifty spot closing value was around 6601

But April call rate of 6600 strike is rs.155

And april put rate of 6600 strike is rs.86

why there is so much difference between the call and put rate of the same strike price and the underlying price is at the exactly strike price.
 
Respected Smart Trade, Whenever you have free time kindly make me understand the following thing

On 26th mar 2014

nifty spot closing value was around 6601

But April call rate of 6600 strike is rs.155

And april put rate of 6600 strike is rs.86

why there is so much difference between the call and put rate of the same strike price and the underlying price is at the exactly strike price.
That is because the option premiums are based on Nifty Futures prices and not spot price. Nifty April Future was quoting at 6671 when spot was at 6601 and hence the 6600 call had 71 points of intrinsic value in it. Hence the difference between 6600 calls and puts premiums( 6600 put had zero intrinsic value in it )

Smart_trade
 
Thank u so much Smart Trade Ji.

Over 2 years I have been a small investor in the market.but I traded option in very small quantity in tukka style. I was thinking that the option prices are determined by spot prices. Now my little brain is arising two more questions.

1. Is stock options are also determined and settled at expiry on future price.

2. which books are best of learning option trading.

Thank u once again.
 
Thank u so much Smart Trade Ji.

Over 2 years I have been a small investor in the market.but I traded option in very small quantity in tukka style. I was thinking that the option prices are determined by spot prices. Now my little brain is arising two more questions.

1. Is stock options are also determined and settled at expiry on future price.

2. which books are best of learning option trading.

Thank u once again.
1) Options are settled at expiry on spot price. On expiry day the future price converges with spot and at end of the day future price is same as spot price.

2) I suggest go for some basic info available on the internet to get familarised with options types, terminology ,its use etc.....the books part will come much later. NSE's NCFM course material available free on the internet is very good for basics in options.

Smart_trade
 
1) Options are settled at expiry on spot price. On expiry day the future price converges with spot and at end of the day future price is same as spot price.

2) I suggest go for some basic info available on the internet to get familarised with options types, terminology ,its use etc.....the books part will come much later. NSE's NCFM course material available free on the internet is very good for basics in options.

Smart_trade
Thanks many times for helping the small minded people like me.

Now I will first read the material suggested by you and then ask you about the books for advanced study
 

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