thread on Real Estate

rajsumi121

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#21
3rd good business for an individual is to buy one 100-150-200-300-500 sq yards plot and do construction on that ... many investors and real users dont have enough time & knowledge to build Good house and proper use of total area ..so they prefer build property .
 

susheel04

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#22
My views on realty...

as a daytrader & stock predictor i would prefer both. Most of the trading principles & discipline are same.

Real estates can be defined as
-Speculators
-Investors

What factors influence Realty Market?
=Government Polices
=Economic parameters like inflation,deflation,interest rates...
=Understanding Demand & Supply in Macro & micro levels
=Global Economic Conditions that influence indian market
=Understanding Technological advancement in construction methods
=knowing latest regulations on land from time to time frm various govt agencies
=Understanding Realty Cyclic movements

What is the time frame for Speculators?
There are many kinds of Speculating jobs available in real estates to tell you in brief period somewhere from 3 months to 2 years(it all again depends kind of job you select).

What is the time frame for Investors?
time frame for investors starts with minimum 3 years to 10 years.

Does Real Estate have Technical Charts like Stock Market?
Yes they do but with limited indicators

Does Fundamentals work in real estates?
Yes its works very Fast not like stock market fundamentals

What is the difference between Investor & Speculator?
Investor=Putting huge Capital to grab a potential wealth opportunity(Risk is less)

Speculator=Putting Small Capital for limited period without effecting inflation
(Risk factors are more)

in the language of stock market we call

Investor= Wealth Builder
Trader= Income Builder

But in Realty sector this differs "Trader & Investor" both designed to achieve a targets of "Wealth Building".

Will Stock market fundamentals work?
Yes it works

What is Basic Raw material for Real Estate Industry?
Land is the Answer and not Construction

Does Counter Trend Strategies work in Real Estates?
Yes it Works especially with govt. polices & Give Bigger Rewards

What is Trend Following Strategy in Real Estates?
Following market as every one do by watching Price Growth as main indicator.

What is co-relation of Stock index movement with Real Estate?
Both Move in same direction

What will be the future of Housing Industry?
Market is Expected to Crash my suggestion would be dont buy houses in hasty situation. Be live it or not! buy a house at the price of car.

What will be future of real estates in near term?
You will see growth by July 2013

This what i know about Real Estates...

I wish to be wrong but i cant be wrong.

astrology works in real estates too

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#23
My views on realty...
...
What is co-relation of Stock index movement with Real Estate?
Both Move in same direction

What will be the future of Housing Industry?
Market is Expected to Crash my suggestion would be dont buy houses in hasty situation. Be live it or not! buy a house at the price of car.

What will be future of real estates in near term?
You will see growth by July 2013
...
I've seen that during uptrends RE market moves in same direction as stock market, but not during downtrends.
When stock market falls, RE does not fall, it stabilises.
Evident is 2008 recessionary times.

We hear many ppl saying RE prices are falling, some say correction to the tune of 15-20%, but if you really go to buy, you dont see that correction..
Builders just hold up their inventory. they are not willing to sell for less.

A home buyer will just wait for the price to come down which will not, and after sometime he will see prices making a new high..

So, my view is at least for next few years, i do not see RE downtrend in india. a serious buyer who is in need to buy should not wait for correction.

What are the reasons you or anybody else see for RE market crash?
 

susheel04

Well-Known Member
#24
A home buyer will just wait for the price to come down which will not, and after sometime he will see prices making a new high..
Prices for housing industry already fallen

Good Example is Tata Housing in Subha Griha project in biosar near mumbai

where house can be purchased at 5 to 6 Lac

already from govt. new Project proposals, we can understand that various Public Private Partnership's Players Getting ready to execute in affordable housing sector in various Suburb's which Prices are expected around in range of 3 lac to 5 lac by the means of micro finance & various subsidy's.
 

susheel04

Well-Known Member
#25
We hear many ppl saying RE prices are falling, some say correction to the tune of 15-20%, but if you really go to buy, you dont see that correction..
For this Good Example can be Hyderabad

Look at prices around Madhapur

you can experiment prices from the site of magicbricks
 

susheel04

Well-Known Member
#26
Builders just hold up their inventory. they are not willing to sell for less.
define a Builder Can work under two levels

1. Speculator=Who does not buy land on his name but enter on Joint Venture here he will limit his risk to construction value lock the land price
Example: Pvt Builders for small residental buildings

2. Investor=Who Purchase land on outright basis & Execute complete venture
Example: Dlf,unitech,Omax
 

susheel04

Well-Known Member
#27
What are the reasons you or anybody else see for RE market crash?
There are many reasons to list a few

-Global slow down market economy
-Govt. polices
-inflation
-sentiments
-more projects are expected in shorter time frame & this bring supply
-slow down indian companies due to foreign direct investments
-Technological change of trend in construction sector
 
#28
I have some reasonable experience in Real Estate Investing. I am looking at Real Estate as my Primary Cash Flow (inflation hedged) during retirement. Here are the basics -

a) RE Investment is always Cash Flow NEGATIVE. After considering rent that you will get and EMI that you will pay, it is NEGATIVE. I make it positive by prepaying loan as fast as possible. That requires some surplus from other sources

b) I have identified only 3 builders with whom I will buy at project conception stage. Otherwise I buy at ready possession or near-ready possession stage.

c) When you buy at 20% deposit upfront., it is like an OPTION, and has leverage. If price is 100, you pay 20. When price goes to 120, your booking value is 40. So 20% increase in price yields 100% return!!! I know people who buy several properties by paying a token and make a fortune. However, I have never done that. Reason? - I want to be in it for LONG term and eat rentals. But others have done it very well.

d) Real Estate where you go to register and all that, has a transaction cost of 8%. If you are a trader, the transaction cost could KILL you, unless you transact at the allotment letter stage itself.

e) Another thing people do is buy land in a far off place and encash when it develops. I have not done that. Reason? I want to get my retirement passive, inflation hedged cash flows in place first. Then, maybe......

f) Just like there are midcaps, small caps and largecaps, there are issues in real estate. There are areas where markets are pretty liquid, and you can dispose off property in 3 months. In other cases, the lock-in time required to dispose off property can be 1-2 years!! In still other cases, there are properties where the bid-ask rate is 30-100!!! I'll explain by taking an example of Mumbai.

A property in Mumbai, or its suburbs or some areas around it are quite liquid. In case you want to raise funds in a hurry, a 5% discount can get you a good buyer.

In places like Alibaug, where NO ONE wants to stay, but is ONLY USED AS HOLIDAY HOME, the liquidity is terrible. If you want to sell, you may have to wait for 1/2 years!!!

Then there are "ghost towns in middle of nowhere". Entire blocks of buildings (say 200 buildings) have been sold by unscrupulous people at fancy rates in the boom to unsuspecting buyers who have taken a loan against them. Buyers who wanted to invest in real estate but could not, bought these "low ticket" flats. Though all flats are sold, everyone is an investor! Everyone is selling but no one is buying!! A 15 lac flat is worth 15 lac to the owner (because of loan) but buyers are ready to pay between 5-6 lacs only, as it is "nowhere" The bid ask spread is 15-6!!!


Just my 2 pence
 
#29
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#30
Real Estate Code Words

Here are some "code words" used in Real Estate and their meanings -

Pre-Lauch/Soft Launch - Builder has plans. Not yet approved
Cosy/Cute Apartment - Very Small Rooms
Ideal Love Nest - in middle of nowhere
Surrounded by lush greenery - In middle of Wilderness/Mosquitoes
Early Bird Offer - Unable to find buyer
Lots of Parking space - road outside. To park in society, pay builder 2.5 lacs for open parking
ISO Certified Builder - Shiity construction
Full Wire Mesh Ceiling - Will start leaking in 2 years
Overlooking the sea - Can see the creek, far away, from kitchen
Full Overhead Tanks for every apartment - Ceiling is too low
Pooja Room - a 25 sq ft alcove, and a 2BHK becomes 21/2 BHK
Govt Registered Company - Builder has got company registered with Registrar of Companies
 

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