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Finally I am out of the trade when my stop at 720 hit around 7.00 P. M. today. See the screenshot taken around that time. I entered and exited at 720. So brokerage tax etc. would be the loss that I will have to suffer in this paper trade.



Nevertheless, trade does not end when I get out. An unbiased postmortem is absolutely necessary to see how the anticipation at the time of entering the trade materialized, how the trade was managed, what are the mistakes committed and how it should have been avoided.

Anticipation part was the breaking of the low of the inside weekly bar and entering a short trade upon the probable swift down move. This anticipation had the support of weakness in the background.

What happened? Well there was a break of the low, but it was not on convincing volume. Alarm bells rang and it was promptly noted. But the mistake committed by me was that I should have curtailed my expectations with regard to the target of the probable downside move (or extent of the down move) as soon as that alarm bell rang.

Was there a mistake in my short entry? Short should have been made either upon the break of the prior week low (as a breakout trade) or upon the price reaching the high of that beakdown bar subsequently, i.e. upon the fifth bar from my entry. I must confess, all this is easy on hindsight, but next to impossible in realtime. You might have noted my thoughts as and when those bars were being formed on the right edge of the chart. When I entered the trade, on a higher timeframe (i.e. weekly chart) I had huge volume on the incomplete bar and the low of the inside bar was taken out with weakness on the background. Only sour point was that breakout bar itself, which was on a shorter timeframe (15 minute chart). Naturally, I would have given preference to the larger timeframe. Also note that the bar on which I shorted was an inside bar and that bar as well as its immediately prior bar had long wicks and huge volume when compared to prior bars. These thought process is quite legitimate and to deviate from them in realtime is next to impossible. So I am quite ok with my entry tactics.

Now the stop placement. As I was eyeing larger trend on weekly bar, I placed initial stop at 732. Slightly wider stop, but it was necessary. If the stop is placed away, I prefer to reduce my trade size so that I am not taking too much risk in monetary terms.

Was the stop moved and if yes, was it moved in the right direction? Answer would be yes. But the question is why it was not moved further down from 720 level as and when price reached below 710 level? Answer again would be eyeing larger trend in weekly chart and hoping to catch a larger move especially when the trade has moved in my direction. Here when the price first reached sub 710 level, I was fully justified in keeping my stop at 720 level. But the mistake came when the price reached below 710 level for the second time. The chart posted by me is cluttered with line and drawings. But please note that the second time when price reached below 710 level, the low of that bar was lower than earlier lowest low (below 710 level). Notice where that bar closed. I have numbered this candle as 1 in the chart. Also notice subsequent bar to bar numbered 1. It rallied indicating very clearly that earlier bar was a test and it was successful. Here I should have prepared myself for closure of trade upon right signal. What could that signal be? It could be break of trendline or it could be another successful test or it could be higher pivot bottom formation or it could be any other legitimate signal which signified end of downtrend. Even at this time also I was having larger trend in the weekly chart in my mind, which was a mistake. This mistake is now evident because after entering the trade on 15 minute chart, I should have remained with that time frame or if I were to switch to another timeframe to exit, it should have been a further shorter timeframe and certainly not a longer timeframe (such as weekly timeframe). Once exited, I could have entered in to the trade again upon the right setup. It is the greed that clouded my vision. Greed of larger profit from a presumed trend in a larger timeframe. My mistake is now noted and now it is entrenched well in my memory. I must take care that I should not repeat it.

After bar numbered 1, there was another test which too was successful. I have numbered this bar as 2. The test at bar numbered 1 was on lower volume when compared to the volume on the earlier bar which dipped below 710. Test at bar no. 2 was even on lesser volume when compared both these bars which dipped below 710. Test no. 2 bar also closed well above the middle. Basically test mentioned in bar numbered 2 involves testing on the low of its immediately earlier bar also. What I mean to say is that this area of below 710 was tested on bar no. 2 and its immediately earlier bar. What happened next is even more important. Price broke above the down sloping trendline. I should have closed my short at least by this time. I did not. That was not right.

Then there was one more test of this area below 710. I have numbered this bar as 3. There was absolutely no doubt upon the close of that candle. It was crystal clear that price is not going to break 710 level at this point of time. So virtually that weak initial break down bar (below 721 level) was confirmed. When the chart was speaking so loud and clear, why did not I close my short position? That is greed my friends.

Finally I paid my price. My stop was hit and I was out at the entry price of 720. But last saving grace in the whole trade was that I did not allow my greed to move my stop above 720 so as to give some more room to see whether this trade works out or not. I stuck with my stop and took the hit.

I learned a few lessons from this trade. Hope after reading this lengthy episode, you too might have picked up a point or two. If you have found out any other mistake than what I have mentioned here, please point out them in this thread. So that myself and every one else may learn.
 
What a huge bout of volatility. Scenario no. 3 which I was anticipating earlier this week happened. See the chart



I was in deep sleep. So I could not take advantage of this two way move
 

rishig38

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Prakash, true that gold went up...but look at the volumes...it shows that this upmove is not supported by volumes at all...do you think it could be a good place to short with a tight stop loss?
 
Prakash, true that gold went up...but look at the volumes...it shows that this upmove is not supported by volumes at all...do you think it could be a good place to short with a tight stop loss?
Hi Rishig,

Do not think of shorting right now just because it went up on low volume. Read the background.

Low volume in an upmove could be

1. Lack of sufficient supply to prevent the upmove or

2. Genuine demand from professional side.

If you are in doubt which one this could be, consult the higher timeframe chart and see the picture there.

Right now it appears to be first case, i.e. lack of sufficient supply to prevent the upmove.

Never ever try to outsmart the market. This strategy though looks attractive, you are taking disproportionate risk. Goal is not to catch either the top or the bottom. But to catch as much portion of the trend as possible. That means, to see evidence of trend being established and thereafter to jump in the direction of the trend at the appropriate moment. This strategy involves less risk.

If you are thinking of shorting, then ask yourself, what do you see in the background? Is it strength or is it the weakness? If it is the strength, then do not think of shorting the market. If you are unable to decide, stay out until you see a clear picture.

Right now if you analyse the bigger timeframe chart, you will see that this week candle made a valient attempt to break the low of last two weekly bars and what happened of this attempt? Huge volume resulted and this attempt failed. Price bounced back sharply. Do you see it as weakness or strength?

Thereafter go to the daily chart and see how and where this week's volume came. It came on down days and the highest volume came yesterday, i.e. the day on which we have outside bar reversal in daily chart. How do you interpret this move? As a strength or as a weakness?
 
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Rishig,

Here is a lesson in realtime. My last post was made around 6.00 P. M. and I was bit reluctant to short at that point. Here is the screenshot of 15 minute chart. Latest bar is the last bar, i.e. last bar relates to 7.15 P. M. First see the chart



Now you are seeing supply entering the market. Does it mean that supply has entered in weekly chart? This is supply entering in 15 minute chart.

Does it mean that the moment you see supply entering, you should short? No it does not. You see the consequences of this supply entering. Now you are going to watch how price is going to behave when this supply entered. Also you will watch when and where this supply has entered. Was it very close to resistance level? If yes, in which timeframe that resistance level is?

Got lessons? Got the meaning of my last post where I said catching of top and bottom is irrelevant? Got the meaning of catching major portion of the trend by taking least risk? Got the meaning of staying out when one is not able to identify or anticipate the trend?

The above is the 15 minute chart, screenshot of which is taken around 7.15 P. M. Now goback four or 5 candles from the last candle and see what the candle was around 6.00 P. M. when I made last post and you will realise why I was reluctant to short at that point of time. See from there what would have happened had I shorted there. There the risk of short trade was disproportionate to the expected profit, if there is any.
 
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rishig,

See the screenshot of 15 minute Gold chart taken around 9.10 P. M. today. Basically it is the continuation of my previous chart. A few more candles added on the right edge. First see the chart



In my previous message I had mentioned that supply is entering the market and you will have to watch next few bars carefully to see the effect of this supply entering the market.

Now the impact of this supply is seen. See what has happened. Once the supply is seen in the chart as background, professionals began selling. That effectively capped the further upmove. You got a pivot at bar numbered 2 in the chart. You got a lower pivot high at candle numbered 3. Watch the amount of volume involved in all these bars subsequent to supply bar.

I will continue this post later
 
Here is the next chart with addition of few more candles on the right edge. Please refer my last post with chart before reading this post. Here is the chart



Now notice each of the bars marked in my previous post and the bar marked in this post. Where would you like to short?

When the price reached the top of the bar marked in this chart, you have got all confirmation that professional side is not interested on the upside in this timeframe. The professional side was selling in all those bars in between the bar marked as supply bar and the bar marked in the chart posted now. Now look at the low volume in the bar marked by me now in this chart. Got it?

For the next portion of this post, I am asuming that you would have shorted in each of the following described bars with stop at the stop of the supply bar described earlier or with a stop slightly above the top of supply bar.

What would have happened had you shorted at bar numbered 1 in my previous post? You would have spent several anxious hours not knowing whether the price is going to break down or to continue upward. When the anxiety became unbearable, you were prone to commit mistakes.

What would have happened had you shorted at bar numbered 2 in my previous post? Again you had no confirmation of weakness and you were exposing yourself to tremendous tension and anxiety. A perfect receipe for disaster.

What would have happened had you shorted at bar numbered 3 in my previous post? Your entry level was much closer to the top of the supply bar. So your stop would have been much less painful and you must have enjoyed a few moments of joy as well when the trade moved in your favour. But please note, even there also volume was heavy and you would have been wondering whether that is supply swamping demand or an accumulation before next upmove.

What would have happened had you shorted at bar numbered 4 in my previous post? You are going for a pivot low break trade on that bar. You had supply bar, lower pivot high and a break of an immediately earlier pivot low on that candle. But the discordent note was again volume.

Now consider the merit of shorting at the close of the bar marked in the chart posted herewith or atleast when the low of that marked bar is broken.

Got it?
 
Prakash
Thanks for the lessons. Very informative.
So are you short in Dec Gold mcx now ?? in the region of 11700 ??
gsri,

Do not feel bad about my reply. Please try to learn as much as possible. It should be you and your chart and nothing else. You are not going to lend your ear to the opinion of others especially when it comes to taking up positions in the market. If you do that, you will always be in doubt as to why that position was taken and how, why and when that position is to be closed. Further, always remember that no one in this world is infallible. That includes me as well. If you go through my earlier posts in this thread, you will notice that I have not been able to conquer greed and fear. These are the worst enemies of a trader.
 
ooops..... Sorry. I forgot to mention about this in my earlier post with chart. Let me post it before it is too late.

Now stage is perfectly set for an upthrust. So donot panic if you happen to witness one. That is a nice way to catch all stops before going down. That adds momentum to the downside. As a boxer expects a punch expect it.
 
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