Trading NR7 setup

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msa5678

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Great work msa5678. You have come out with great excel sheet to do prelimiary test of this setup.
And congrats on finding 3 good prey for your trading.

I will suggest you to take a step back and see if you have answered following questions or not..

1) what is your timeframe for trading ? --> Are you going to daytrade these stocks tomorrow, or swing trade them.
2) what is your risk per trade, per day, overnight risk etc ? --> Important if you are planning to trade in F&O cause to contract size, u will limitation in managing your risk.
3) What are you entry/exit/stop/target/trailing stop rules ? --> Even draft rules will be fine at this stage.

Based on the answer of above, now u can spend time on backtesting or paper trading your rules and simulate actual trading as much as possible. IMO, if you repeat the excercise for stocks starting with B, C, D etc, you will have few more target candidates in your hand but still will not be able to trade them. Hence spend time with these 3 stocks, (or maybe some more from B series too..) and once you are comfortable trading them, then increase the basket size.

Hope this helps. Feel free to pose any doubt/findings etc for discussion here.

All the best and happy trading.


Hi AW10,

Thanks for taking time to respond to my post.

My idea of trading NR7 setup is as follows..
Lets take ASHOKLEY as an example
I would be trading Intraday in this stock following a NR7 day
Margin would be 50 K , SL @ 1 % , Book Profit @ 1 %. I would be trading in this stock for around 15 trades, Out of these if it passes more than 10 instances, then I will go in with 100 K margin.....and so on.... My trading will be scrip based, continue with the scrip which gives good results and discard the ones having bad results. Finally intend to develop my portfolio based on these results.
Any suggestions are welcome....
 

msa5678

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In order to merge the discussion at one place, I am re-posting my views on another powerful setup "90-10 continuation setup" here.

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90-10 continuation setup is great method and I have seen working in other markets again and again..So I strongly believe that it will work in our market as well.

That means if price closes in top 10% or bottom 10% of the range, then it has high probability that the trend will continue in next day. (Your method will be called as 70-30 continuation from this standard.. but that doesn't matter. Please continue with your approach and once we have some data, we can playground with these numbers and improve the system.. )

Let me explain the mkt psychology (as I understand) behind this system which makes me feel that it is based on a strong foundation ....

- Days range defines the boundary of battle between bulls and bears. One of those boundary points the battle was won by one or other party. I.e. at Day High - Bears won the battle and pushed the prices down.. And at Day Low - bulls have won the fight and stopped the prices going further down. So if prices close on upper 10% range by end of the day... then it indicates that bulls are strong at the close..
If you notice.. Market close defines the action by Big Players/ DII/ FII /professionals. whereas Mkt open price is impacted more by retail participants. So If professionals have pushed the prices high .. to the top of the range.. Then they are not going to book profit quickly.

Hence retail /novice traders will join them. They will read the paper/watch CNBC in the night and will feel that mkt is going up and will buy tomorrow. Retail traders are the people who buy after price has gone up and sell when price have gone down.
Professionals do the opposite.. And collect money from retail traders.

Logic is same when mkt closes in bottom 10%.

Hope I am making some sense here.. and it gives people some more belief in this method.

Now coming back to price action on next day.. Most likely mkt will open higher (I am looking for paper trade to give us that %age)... but at some stage people will come to take profit. Generally it happens in first 1 hour of trade or on first reversal on following day. People who bought yesterday will book profit (this may not be professionals but swing traders, or overnight traders).. so prices will retrace. If more professionals start buying tomorrow then trend will continue.. but if they decide to watch market before putting further money, then due to lack of participation from them, market may reverse on next day.

So for your strategy.. my suggestion will be (but decision is yours Kamalesh)

1) Decide Setup criteria like
- look at chart at 3.00 pm / 3.15 pm
- Note days high and low till that time
- see if today is turing out to be a 90% - 10% range.. or not (IMO, 10% from range extreme is good sign to show the strength of bull /bear power that will take push the mkt in the same direction tomorrow... Aim of system should be to take high probability trades.. not more number of trades. One might like to experiment with other % range as well to gain more signals)
- if yes, then go to next step.. else shutdown the machine and do something else..

2) Entry criteria
- buy at mkt / buy at open of 3.05 pm bar / buy at open of 3.20 pm bar.
- Place stoploss order... - at todays low, low of prev 1hr bar, 50 points below our entry.. or anything else.. But we got to think about the risks first. We can very well play around with these parameter later to improve the system
- Note that this SL will protect us with any sudden last min shock that we might see after out entry. Also we need to take care of putting this SL before mkt open (by After mkt hour order so atleast there is some protection).

3)Exit rule -
- Stop loss related points that I mentioned above can very well come here as well
- Profit exit - define some rule.. like exit at 11.00 am on next day, or hold it close of next day and sell on open of following day.. In the absence of this rule, it will become difficult to make it a system and improve. You can also very well look at the break of Pivot low on next day.
- Trailing SL rule - optional.. this will help us in upgrading or SLoss to next level.
Also think about what to if mkt opens below our SL and SL is not triggered. Like Saints method which suggests that we wait for few minutes before taking any action.

4) Data /trade Recording - so that u can analyse it later..
- If I were you, I will record, atleast all the points mentioned in above 3 points. Additional points could be the sentiment of the day etc.

For shorts these rules will be more or less same.. with little bit of adjustments..

Hope this helps. Feel free to raise the question in this thread.
Happy Trading..

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Original post (dating back to nov-2008) is here so feel free to refer to that thread as well.

http://www.traderji.com/trading-diary/24946-patterns-technicals-3.html#post248618
Hi AW10

For long I have been looking for a BTST/STBT setup to enter into, After going through your post, I see that I have found the perfect setup. The idea is simply great...which reminds me of a hindi saying....
""GYANI KE SAATH BAITHE TO 2 BAAT MILTE
AUR
GADHE KE SAATH BAITHE TO 2 LAAT MILTE"
...Interaction with you activates the laziest of minds...I will prepare an Excel Sheet to backtest data for the 90-10 continuation setup...Will be posting the developments here....
 
Dear AW10,

I have started an extensive research on application of NR7 strategy
to Future Stocks. My backtest period is from 15-dec-08 to 15-jan-10.
I am attaching aN Excel Sheet here, Column "A" to "J" is the data copied
and pasted from NSE. All other columns are automatically updated based
on the data from NSE. Column "S" needs to be filled in by visual interpretition.
I have completed the analysis of Stocks starting with the letter "A",
Please note that I have taken only stocks which have Future trading enabled.
I have created a summary sheet also, I find from the summary results that ANDHRABANK,
ABGSHIP and ASHOKLEY have a very good consistency. Andhrabank passed 80.3% times overall
and gave a whooping 82% return over the test period, Similarly ,ABGSHIP passed 75% times
overall and gave a return of 78% over the 2 years period. This analysis helps
in selecting stocks which are consistent over a period of time. Am continuing with
the analysis on other stocks, will post the results depending upon the response of
the members.
HI, msa5678, I saw your sheet, My doubt is How do you choose long or short in the market?,...
 

msa5678

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Hi Dalalstreet2500,

Long or short is decided based on the high or Low of the NR7 day. Let us take an example, 25th October 2010 was a NR7 day for ASHOKLEY with a day's range of 1.69 Pts, Day's High and Low on 25-10-10 was 76.35 and 74.8 respectively, Now we observe the price movement of the scrip on 25-10-10, If it moves above 76.35 we go long with a tgt of 76.35+1.69 and SL 76.35-1.69, or if it moves below 74.8 we go short with a tgt of 74.8-1.69 and SL 74.8+1.69. We find from our records that the scrip crossed 76.35 and we could have booked pft at 77.9 with a pft of 1.6 pts or 2%.

I hope the above clarifies the doubts, Feel free to ask for more clarifications....
 

rrmhatre72

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Hi AW10,

Thanks for taking time to respond to my post.

My idea of trading NR7 setup is as follows..
Lets take ASHOKLEY as an example
I would be trading Intraday in this stock following a NR7 day
Margin would be 50 K , SL @ 1 % , Book Profit @ 1 %. I would be trading in this stock for around 15 trades, Out of these if it passes more than 10 instances, then I will go in with 100 K margin.....and so on.... My trading will be scrip based, continue with the scrip which gives good results and discard the ones having bad results. Finally intend to develop my portfolio based on these results.
Any suggestions are welcome....
Hi MSA,

I have not got your logic clearly.
After your first exit, What will be your entry point?
Will you take next trade next day & continue it for 15days to have 15trades?
What if you find another NR7 in these 15days?
 

msa5678

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Hi MSA,

I have not got your logic clearly.
After your first exit, What will be your entry point?
Will you take next trade next day & continue it for 15days to have 15trades?
What if you find another NR7 in these 15days?
Hi rrmmhatre,

My logic is like this once we exit either in loss or gain , we wait for the next NR7 trigger, as soon as it happens we take a fresh entry. We will be getting a lot of chances as we are trading in scrips (not in indices)...I had downloaded a NR7Tracker ...which identifies all the NR7 scrips with in a couple of steps...from these you can select the scrips which had a good performance in the backtested results..I have observed that if we trade patiently and follow the rules strictly ...we will be in a reasonable profit over the long run....Hope this clarifies your queries...please feel free to raise any other doubts you have....


The link to NR7Tracker.xls is there on page 1 post no. 9 of this post....I salute AW10 for starting such a nice thread and providing such a beautiful XLS file ...without which it was not only difficult but impossible to track the NR7 days....
 
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Hi Dalalstreet2500,

Long or short is decided based on the high or Low of the NR7 day. Let us take an example, 25th October 2010 was a NR7 day for ASHOKLEY with a day's range of 1.69 Pts, Day's High and Low on 25-10-10 was 76.35 and 74.8 respectively, Now we observe the price movement of the scrip on 25-10-10, If it moves above 76.35 we go long with a tgt of 76.35+1.69 and SL 76.35-1.69, or if it moves below 74.8 we go short with a tgt of 74.8-1.69 and SL 74.8+1.69. We find from our records that the scrip crossed 76.35 and we could have booked pft at 77.9 with a pft of 1.6 pts or 2%.

I hope the above clarifies the doubts, Feel free to ask for more clarifications....
Dear msa 5678,.
Thanks for your wonderful clarification, it's very useful to me, because I was trading without any stop loss before your clarification, I have add these two scrips(ashkley and andhrabk) to my watch list from your suggestions, vipind and jublfood is also good scrips in nr7 stratagy please watch it, if you find more counters please intimate me,.......

Thank You
 

msa5678

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Dear msa 5678,.
Thanks for your wonderful clarification, it's very useful to me, because I was trading without any stop loss before your clarification, I have add these two scrips(ashkley and andhrabk) to my watch list from your suggestions, vipind and jublfood is also good scrips in nr7 stratagy please watch it, if you find more counters please intimate me,.......

Thank You
Hi Dalalstreet2500,

It is nice to know that my clarifications have been helpful to you....Regarding list of good scrips...I am backtesting the scrips based on alphabetical order, as I have indicated before I am considering only stocks which have futures activated...Currently I am backtesting stocks starting with alphabet "B"...Once my backtesting is completed I will post the results here...But it seems it will take a long time because I am involved in other works also....
 

rh6996

Well-Known Member
In order to merge the discussion at one place, I am re-posting my views on another powerful setup "90-10 continuation setup" here.

============================

90-10 continuation setup is great method and I have seen working in other markets again and again..So I strongly believe that it will work in our market as well.

That means if price closes in top 10% or bottom 10% of the range, then it has high probability that the trend will continue in next day. (Your method will be called as 70-30 continuation from this standard.. but that doesn't matter. Please continue with your approach and once we have some data, we can playground with these numbers and improve the system.. )

Let me explain the mkt psychology (as I understand) behind this system which makes me feel that it is based on a strong foundation ....

- Days range defines the boundary of battle between bulls and bears. One of those boundary points the battle was won by one or other party. I.e. at Day High - Bears won the battle and pushed the prices down.. And at Day Low - bulls have won the fight and stopped the prices going further down. So if prices close on upper 10% range by end of the day... then it indicates that bulls are strong at the close..
If you notice.. Market close defines the action by Big Players/ DII/ FII /professionals. whereas Mkt open price is impacted more by retail participants. So If professionals have pushed the prices high .. to the top of the range.. Then they are not going to book profit quickly.

Hence retail /novice traders will join them. They will read the paper/watch CNBC in the night and will feel that mkt is going up and will buy tomorrow. Retail traders are the people who buy after price has gone up and sell when price have gone down.
Professionals do the opposite.. And collect money from retail traders.

Logic is same when mkt closes in bottom 10%.

Hope I am making some sense here.. and it gives people some more belief in this method.

Now coming back to price action on next day.. Most likely mkt will open higher (I am looking for paper trade to give us that %age)... but at some stage people will come to take profit. Generally it happens in first 1 hour of trade or on first reversal on following day. People who bought yesterday will book profit (this may not be professionals but swing traders, or overnight traders).. so prices will retrace. If more professionals start buying tomorrow then trend will continue.. but if they decide to watch market before putting further money, then due to lack of participation from them, market may reverse on next day.

So for your strategy.. my suggestion will be (but decision is yours Kamalesh)

1) Decide Setup criteria like
- look at chart at 3.00 pm / 3.15 pm
- Note days high and low till that time
- see if today is turing out to be a 90% - 10% range.. or not (IMO, 10% from range extreme is good sign to show the strength of bull /bear power that will take push the mkt in the same direction tomorrow... Aim of system should be to take high probability trades.. not more number of trades. One might like to experiment with other % range as well to gain more signals)
- if yes, then go to next step.. else shutdown the machine and do something else..

2) Entry criteria
- buy at mkt / buy at open of 3.05 pm bar / buy at open of 3.20 pm bar.
- Place stoploss order... - at todays low, low of prev 1hr bar, 50 points below our entry.. or anything else.. But we got to think about the risks first. We can very well play around with these parameter later to improve the system
- Note that this SL will protect us with any sudden last min shock that we might see after out entry. Also we need to take care of putting this SL before mkt open (by After mkt hour order so atleast there is some protection).

3)Exit rule -
- Stop loss related points that I mentioned above can very well come here as well
- Profit exit - define some rule.. like exit at 11.00 am on next day, or hold it close of next day and sell on open of following day.. In the absence of this rule, it will become difficult to make it a system and improve. You can also very well look at the break of Pivot low on next day.
- Trailing SL rule - optional.. this will help us in upgrading or SLoss to next level.
Also think about what to if mkt opens below our SL and SL is not triggered. Like Saints method which suggests that we wait for few minutes before taking any action.

4) Data /trade Recording - so that u can analyse it later..
- If I were you, I will record, atleast all the points mentioned in above 3 points. Additional points could be the sentiment of the day etc.

For shorts these rules will be more or less same.. with little bit of adjustments..

Hope this helps. Feel free to raise the question in this thread.
Happy Trading..

======================

Original post (dating back to nov-2008) is here so feel free to refer to that thread as well.

http://www.traderji.com/trading-diary/24946-patterns-technicals-3.html#post248618
I remember rkkarnani posting an Excel sheet where trades were taken on close within 10% of Hi Lo. I could not locate the thread or the attachment. Possible with constraint on attachments space on Traderji he probably removed it.

I request rkkarnani to repost the same as and when time permits. Alos please check your pm rkk!
 
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