Trading with Volume Spread Analysis (VSA)

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bunny

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that is correct.vsa will not work reliably if u go by what tom williams has said.their software is bad.also check other vsa software on the net.they are bad too because practically speaking no one can make money on it.losses are much more.
but on the other hand vsa concepts are very good if used them correctly.i will try to post chart if possible.
Hi ST,

I don't know long you have been using VSA. I have been using it for around 6 to 8 months now and I have seen many catastrophic responses. Below are real-chart examples I have seen. I see these almost everyday on charts.

Example 1:
Bar 1 is an effort to go down. Next bar is also a down bar. According to Tom Williams, this means that there is a genuine attempt to go down. So we go short here. Suddenly, the next bar is an up bar with good volume!

Example 2:
Bar 1 is an effort to o down. Next bar is a down bar closing in the middle on low volume. Looks like a successful test of supply. But next bar is still a down bar. According to Tom Williams, it means that market markers and professionals are "still" bearish. However, after two days, the price suddenly move up by 7%. What a waste!

Example 3:
The test of supply record high volume, that is - its a failed test. According to Tom Williams, the market will go sideways until the supply is removed(indicated by one more test). However, the stock is trading 7% higher immediately after a failed test. Tom Williams has a excuse for this too. he says, 'such events occurs when there is a bad news - real of imagined'. So basically, whether low volume or high volume test - anything can happen.

Example 4:
The stock was in a life time high. Had signs of weakness in background. Ultra high volume appeared on a down day. The spread was ultra-wide and closed near the low. This was a perfect upthrust satisfying every condition. After 3 days, the stock closed 8% higher, above the high of the upthrust. How can tons of volumes generated during upthrust be negated by 3 days of average volume activity?

So when the reliability of an hallmark event like upthrust has been thrashed, other indicators will obviously.

Many times, after the selling climax, the stock goes into a sideways movements and after few days starts dropping again as if there is no support. Tom Williams simply says that 'If the price has held after a suspected selling climax, then we have all the indications to go long'. Obviously one will lose money if it happens like I said. But then someone will bat for VSA and say that "You should see background". Without a doubt, there will be few sluggish up bars. So a novice will again blame himself for missing the sluggish up bars and be under the impression that VSA requires lot of effort to be correct. However, there is also a selling climax in the background. What about this? My unvarying observation is that at any point of time, there are signs of strength and weakness on the chart. There is no way to compare whether weakness is greater than strength or vice-versa. There is no standard weightage to events like upthrust, test. So basically, anything can "negate" anything. A major upthrust can be negated by a narrow spread ultra low volume bar! This is the height. I cannot take it anymore.

I have many more puzzling sightings on VSA. I always wonder if Tom Williams never faced such conditions in his trading. Given the low reliability and sporadic success of this, I wonder why VSA should not be called a "scam" instead of "analysis"? Its a scam in my opinion. I have not seem many people trading with VSA.
 
bunny ,
vsa is about catching the smart money move.
it hardly matters whether it is effort to move up or down.these are the terms coined by tom himself and if you know there is a rift in his group itself.wyckoff concepts are also there but you have to take all these and come up with something.never the less all concepts do not work.that is the catch in vsa.

if u have a gmail id u can add me at
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bunny

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bunny ,
vsa is about catching the smart money move.
it hardly matters whether it is effort to move up or down.these are the terms coined by tom himself and if you know there is a rift in his group itself.wyckoff concepts are also there but you have to take all these and come up with something.never the less all concepts do not work.that is the catch in vsa.

if u have a gmail id u can add me at
[email protected]
Hi ST,

VSA has been a disaster for me. BTW, what "rift in his group" are you speaking too? I have never been a member of the VSAclub which is run by him, so what exactly is the rift?
 

scplindia

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VSA is a lagging indicator, one needs to be careful when playing with lagging indicators, because, we as retail investors will be investing after the volumes have occured, so the chances are that we will get trapped at the top or the bottom. All the so called best technical analyst, can only do a post mortem, but they will never tell be before hand about the volumes.
 

kaly422000

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bunny ,
vsa is about catching the smart money move.
it hardly matters whether it is effort to move up or down.these are the terms coined by tom himself and if you know there is a rift in his group itself.wyckoff concepts are also there but you have to take all these and come up with something.never the less all concepts do not work.that is the catch in vsa.

if u have a gmail id u can add me at
[email protected]
right u r. vsa all about smart money entry and exit.can u judge at 15th and 16th feb on bharti artel.
 
my vsa indicator is actually custom made.though i have seen vsa afl and tradeguider also.but i think trading & making money with tradeguider is difficult.
my vsa indicator does not show you any of the concepts which are discussed in the book visually.
on the other hand it gives you some other vital information which is actually needed for trading.
 

rajputz

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my vsa indicator is actually custom made.though i have seen vsa afl and tradeguider also.but i think trading & making money with tradeguider is difficult.
my vsa indicator does not show you any of the concepts which are discussed in the book visually.
on the other hand it gives you some other vital information which is actually needed for trading.
can you post your afl plz
 
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