why 95% lose

manishchan

Well-Known Member
#31
no ifs and buts in trading my dear friend.....
The "ifs" I posted above are important my friend if you are serious. Else u will never be able to go from 1 lot to 10. These ifs are not doubts. Each of the lines (probably more than these) are very very important and Must Have to be able to trade bigger lots otherwise trading just 1-2 lot will not give more than daily Chai - Paani. ;)
 
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Jai Mata Di

Well-Known Member
#32
Dear, copypasteaee,

Most people says trading is zero sum in broader view as brokerage and taxes are very less compared to the money hand over from winner to looser.
Even in India brokerage and other cost in future trading is very less.

Take example other cost is only about 850 per Crore in Zerodha including all cost (brokerage, STT, Stamp ALL). Rest money transfer from looser to winners in futures & option directly. So trading is a Zero Sum Game in broader view as Rs 850 is only 0.0085% of whole amount, it is lesser than 11,000 part.

In most of other developed country other cost of trading is even much lesser than India as there is no STT like tax, other cost is lesser than 20,000-30,000 part there. Most of them also called trading is Zero sum game.
It is just like round off error in representation in 4 th or 5th decimal, which is very very negligible and widely acceptable in mathematics. :D

Happy Trading.


H.C.
 

Jai Mata Di

Well-Known Member
#33
Unfortunately many novice people think they can master of trading within 1 or 2 years. That is a big mistake. Any profession takes time to learn, ask any seasoned trader if trading is easy than any other profession like doctor/engineering/law graduation? :lol:
Even a master degree in any field takes 5 years time. Every profession has own learning time. For trading it is 5-7 years. Ask any good technical analyst, 1-2 years is very small time for a market. Even a bear phase/bull phase/range bound phase takes 2-3 years cycle in longer time frame chart.

I saw many traders make profits in initial 2-3 years, but wiped out later, bcoz their system is not compatible for all different phases of market.
To face all different conditions in longer time frames the minimum survival period in this trading profession is 5-7 years. Until any trader pass that time successfully he/she is in danger of thrown out of this trading world.

It just like taking larger sample during back testing can give you clear idea. Many system give a good result while back testing during small sample data over 1-2 years. But when you test it on 7 years to 10 years data, real test comes as phase change in longer time frame. A good system for trending days is killed in long large range bound times which situation can come only after 3-4 years. So as the traders and their psychology also tested in repeated failure times only.

Trading profession is not easy bcoz it is one of highest return profession in this world. And every one knows money don't come easily. :p Here reward depends on performance only, not time. Patience is the most important virtue of a trader.

I saw many successful traders thrown out of the system after initial 2-3 years of success when market condition changes in longer time frame. We saw last bear phase in 2008, new traders has no idea about the psychological up down during trading in such phase. Many traders wiped out in bear phase, some in bull phase, most in long range bound phases.
From my own experience, I can tell you, until any one spend minimum 5-7 years successfully in trading he/she has no idea of cruelty of this profession.

Take Care.

Happy Trading.


H.C.
 
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Jai Mata Di

Well-Known Member
#35
Nice to see 17 members confirming that they are successful traders in the following thread.

http://www.traderji.com/members-discussion-forums/95231-i-am-successful-trader.html#post996572

Assuming that most have been honest with themselves in posting, 17 members or 40 % of the people participating is a much better number of successful traders in our forum.

ST
What we saw in this pole is probably the reflection of anger from some successful traders in TJ surely they are more than 17 here. :)
Some of them vote instantly bcoz it was some sort of secret voting (not like recently closed thread about same topic where some one waiting for personal data :eek: which they can't give. Only one came but others feel the pain.:p ).
Somatung brothers poll was just continuation of that topic. :D
 
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Trading is a performing art ( or science if you like) like dance or music...have you ever seen a great dancer performing flawlessly ( like Sanjukta Panigrahi ) with 1 years of "learning to dance" or A vocalist like Pandit Jasraj or instumentalist like Ravishankar or Zakir Hussain or Hariprasad Chaurasia or Ustad Amjad Ali Khan capturing and mesmerising a music concert with 2 years of " learning " ....there are borm wonders like Lata Mangeshkar but she also went through years of practice.

Smart_trade
 

onlinegtrash

Well-Known Member
#37
Unfortunately many novice people think they can master of trading within 1 or 2 years. That is a big mistake. Any profession takes time to learn, ask any seasoned trader if trading is easy than any other profession like doctor/engineering/law graduation? :lol:
Even a master degree in any field takes 5 years time. Every profession has own learning time. For trading it is 5-7 years. Ask any good technical analyst, 1-2 years is very small time for a market. Even a bear phase/bull phase/range bound phase takes 2-3 years cycle in longer time frame chart.

I saw many traders make profits in initial 2-3 years, but wiped out later, bcoz their system is not compatible for all different phases of market.
To face all different conditions in longer time frames the minimum survival period in this trading profession is 5-7 years. Until any trader pass that time successfully he/she is in danger of thrown out of this trading world.

It just like taking larger sample during back testing can give you clear idea. Many system give a good result while back testing during small sample data over 1-2 years. But when you test it on 7 years to 10 years data, real test comes as phase change in longer time frame. A good system for trending days is killed in long large range bound times which situation can come only after 3-4 years. So as the traders and their psychology also tested in repeated failure times only.

Trading profession is not easy bcoz it is one of highest return profession in this world. And every one knows money don't come easily. :p Here reward depends on performance only, not time. Patience is the most important virtue of a trader.

I saw many successful traders thrown out of the system after initial 2-3 years of success when market condition changes in longer time frame. We saw last bear phase in 2008, new traders has no idea about the psychological up down during trading in such phase. Many traders wiped out in bear phase, some in bull phase, most in long range bound phases.
From my own experience, I can tell you, until any one spend minimum 5-7 years successfully in trading he/she has no idea of cruelty of this profession.

Take Care.

Happy Trading.


H.C.
Nothing is more deadly than initial quick profits *early* in a traders career.
These easy early wins completely traps the trader for next round of slaughter, if he is not on guard.

That's a equity curve simulation for win % = 0.23, reward % = 0.07, risk % = 0.03 for 2000 traders investing for 200 days with starting value of 1 Re/-

Most traders lose their shirt and start working on themselves but the poor ones who got lucky and ended up earning 50%-100+% returns by just pure luck are going to get killed in next round, as luck favors only occasionally!

Ironically the initial easy victory turns into a death nail for most traders!
This happens only in trading, on all other trades initial victory gives a confidence boost and takes them to places (eg: public speaking or surgery).
 
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#39
If you want I can sent you successful Traders list.....I am tracking that Thread secretly....:D
Dear OMSAI

There is absolute no need to do so, as you any way not can control in to the last details who votes for what. That is not what the thread is meant about and never will be. Kindly accept that, as this is not wished from my side. Other wise I would not have opened that thread with that idea. So kindly do not post such comments which are of no use about that specific thread and are not needed in any way

Every body can read the post and vote to a later time by going in again and vote then. After reading your comment, I even would advise to do so to not feel bothered by your above comment.

Enjoy your Sunday / :)
 
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Dear OMSAI

There is absolute no need to do so, as you any way not can control in to the last details who votes for what. Every body can read the post and vote to a later time by going in again and vote then. So kindly do not post such comments which are of no use about that specific thread and are not needed in any way. Enjoy your Sunday / :)
Yes I can.....DAN sir....
Don't worry DAN....bro.....I am brother of TIMEPASS...:lol::D
 
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