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Originally Posted by akash2004:
Last year when i spoke to you regarding cash future hedging you said it could be done with ZERODHA then when i was about to open the account you said 30 % margin has to be brought in cash

Again after reading the horrific performence of NOW online i gave up the Idea of trading with you guys as trading with edelweiss was not so expensive either

now that you people are migrating to same software i use , i though of again opening an account i was ready to pay the unjustified 30 % margin you were asking and sent a email to ZERODHA AS i read thread you people are ready to provide margins like any other broker ( which you have replied in this thread )
I thought Zerodha has its own trading platform from this month ?

Zerodha calls it "Zerodha trading platform or ZTrader". I am not sure how do you use their software ?

What the software exactly Zerodha is using? it must be a great work if they have developed their own software:)
 
I thought Zerodha has its own trading platform from this month ?

Zerodha calls it "Zerodha trading platform or ZTrader". I am not sure how do you use their software ?

What the software exactly Zerodha is using? it must be a great work if they have developed their own software:)
Zerodha Trader is being developed by Zerodha . Actually Zerodha Trader is a customised version for Zerodha clients of the software called Nest Trader which is supplied by Omnesys .

That is what akash2004 is mentioning about - The Nest Trader.

If you look NOW & NEST TRADER , they look almost identical .
 

soft_trader

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Dear Zerodha

It’s good if you want to extend the intraday margin facility to up to 3.25pm, but by introducing 2 product codes MIS (intraday) and NRML (overnight), it’s really very horrible for trader due to following reason.

1 The system was tested in RKSV, and is totally disaster, we have to convert all the trade before 3.15 PM and its take may be 30 Minutes , its mean all your time waste for just doing conversion.

2. I choose as default “NRML” in an order window, so no need to select every time in order, just put Qty. and press enter, I need fast, otherwise miss the trade.

3. You can’t convert previous day position in to “MIS” , you have to square up first than take new position in MIS, otherwise your all margin blocked.

That’s why I close RKSV account, and I choose Zerodha again, however I am loosing Rs 6000-8000 in brokerage cost.

So please extend time to 3.20 or 3.25 but please don’t mess up the system. Thanks
I second that. Very valid point. Zerodha please keep your system as it is.
 
I keep the same login password and transaction password for all the share market trading applications :). They all need to be changed in 14 days. I also keep the same backoffice password for all the brokers :D. Lazy, huh :D
you are compromising security ...
How come ?? :confused:
 

a1b1trader

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Not difficult...you just have to keep margins in those and keep a written record of passwords....too much confusion in which password for which account....:D and changing password and log in /transaction password make matters a bit worse...but with practice one can handle I guess....
Smart_trade
I keep the same login password and transaction password for all the share market trading applications :). They all need to be changed in 14 days. I also keep the same backoffice password for all the brokers :D. Lazy, huh :D
I have a simple, easy to remember password system for use, whether it is for now, odin or any other platform

First choose 3-4-5 alphabet/alphanumeric password (as per your choice), then add o for odin, n for now, t for tradetiger etc.

Now we require 2 to 3 password in a month, as one password validity is 14 days, so add 9 for September, 10 for October and add 1 for first 14 days, 2 for second 14 days and 3 for remaining days.

So a password will be like ****n91 for 1-14th September for now, and ****n92 for next 14 days, where **** is your alphanumeric choice.

For transaction password just **n91

If you are using more than 1 account in one platform, then add one alphabet extra in login as well as txn password as per account holder name.

So my login password for NOW will be a1b1n91 and txn password will be a1n91 for 1st to 14th September.

Regards
 

Zerodha

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ZERODHA ANY SOLUTION FOR MY PROBLEM OTHER THAN IGNORING MY POST YES I AM LITTLE ANGRY BUT NEITHER DID I USE THE TOOL ZERODHA BASHING LIKE OTHERS NOR DID MY PROBLEM BEING RESOLVED AFTER EMAILING YOU AND WRITING HERE :confused:
Akash,

I don't know the setup you have presently,

The issue is:

Say you have 10lk in your account and assume you are looking at opportunity in reliance, lot size is 500 and margin per lot Rs 50,000 and reliance at Rs 500.

To buy 500 shares of reliance stock you need, Rs 2.5lks..

Ideally with 10lks, you can buy equity for 7.5lks and short 3 lots (margin 1.5lk)...

What you want is that you will buy entire 10lks of reliance(2000 shares) and short 4 lots of reliance futures by giving these 2000 shares as margin.. The problem is that how do you pledge when you don't really own it??

IF we allow this to happen, NSE would charge a penalty on the excess margin being utilized for the futures position.. A compliant broker can't really let this happen..

The other way out is, that you open margin funding account(through ILFS) and you take funding for the 2 days before the stocks actually come to demat, after which it can be pledged.. In all arbitrage trades, interest component determines the profitability of the trade, we can get you rates better than those offered by most of the brokers today....

Personally we would not get into any funding activity, as our business model won't let us take that kind of a risk. But we can have this arranged through ILFS at the lowest rates in the country.

Usually brokers let you take bigger positions than what you can actually hold(through funding activity or other means) because 1. Most of them use the pool account, to pledge stocks which are lying in the pool(client stocks), pledge it with the exchange and actually give the same money back to you at an interest.. 2. The bigger the position you take the bigger the brokerage they make..Better risk to reward payoff ratio..

We won't get into this, but margin funding route is the right way to do it and that is how most of professional arbitrageurs would do it...
 

Zerodha

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Dear Zerodha

Its good if you want to extend the intraday margin facility to up to 3.25pm, but by introducing 2 product codes MIS (intraday) and NRML (overnight), its really very horrible for trader due to following reason.

1 The system was tested in RKSV, and is totally disaster, we have to convert all the trade before 3.15 PM and its take may be 30 Minutes , its mean all your time waste for just doing conversion.

2. I choose as default NRML in an order window, so no need to select every time in order, just put Qty. and press enter, I need fast, otherwise miss the trade.

3. You cant convert previous day position in to MIS , you have to square up first than take new position in MIS, otherwise your all margin blocked.

Thats why I close RKSV account, and I choose Zerodha again, however I am loosing Rs 6000-8000 in brokerage cost.

So please extend time to 3.20 or 3.25 but please dont mess up the system. Thanks
J,

I remember reading your post somewhere before where you had posted this issue and this was our top priority to not mess around with the system...

NOW and NEST look similar but there is a huge difference in them feature wise..

One of the issues we face daily is, between 3pm to 3.30pm, assume you have 3 futures position, nifty, reliance and TCS... You are taking excess leverage and we have to square off your position, because you haven't done on your own. Which one do we square off?? If we cut nifty, we get a call saying why did you cut nifty and not reliance , so on and forth..

The good bit with Ztrader is that , in admin position we have position conversion.. first thing in the morning you can select all positions and convert NRML to MIS and automatically margin blocked gets reduced for all in one click.. YOu don't have to sell and enter , we would never get you do something like that..

Before 3.25, you can again select all and convert MIS to NRML in just one click.. It is nothing like NOW...
 
Re: new cheapest broker is here. Zerodha

Hi Guys,
I called http://www.zerodha.com guys today.
They have fantastic offer. They offer cheapest brokerage in market, much less than even RK Global.
1. Per order rate - 20 INR and not against per lot - FNO, equity.
2. Direct NSE terminal from NSE server, no server from broker in between.
3. Live technical analysis from NSE TAME on NSE server.
4. Leverage 10 times - nifty stocks
5. 5 times leverage on stocks.
6. Account opening -600/-
7. Amc 400/-
8. There is no charge on software like RKG.
9. They use NSE NOW and http://nowonline.in/now_home.html (run by NSE).
10. No commitment for lots per day.

I think, now we are going to have vanilla brokerage plans. They don't charge per lot in FNO, they charge flat rate against per trade. This is very good.
Server issue is not there as NSE server being used. I have not used TAME, any one know how it works?
I am thinking to open account with them.
Do anyone already using them?
hello what u said i understand but do not think only brokerage yes this is cheap brokerage i think service is important i and my friend search and spent few months to check service plus brokerage we found share khan best service best terminal as per our knowledge if anyone want to open account can contact
 
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