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About the Freak trade triggering the stop losses....

After looking at all the posts, firstly let me clear the confusion out which some of you seem to have...

1. Mininifty did trade at 3500, but none of the Zerodha client actually bought or sold mininifty at that price... Even the trade that got executed at 3500, was later reversed by the exchange...

2. The problem was, because it ticked at 3500, it triggered a lot of Stop losses placed in the system... Even if it was not 3500 and it was 5000, it would have still triggered all the stops...

What do I think about it??

Stock or commodity markets are uncertain and not under control of anyone... If an index like s&P could have ticked 10% down because of a freakish incident last year, nifty which turns over 1/10th of S&P and mininifty probably 1/1000th, it is no big deal... It wasn't a big deal for even the news to flash it...

These are the risks we take trading financial markets and we have to live with it. No complain to anyone will help. Markets move based on the balance of buyers and sellers. If someone decides to sell a million lots of nifty futures, he might bring it down by 10% for a few minutes... WE can't tell this guy who wants to sell not to sell...

Yesterday's incident, for every guy who probably lost a little money because of this trade, there was probably another guy who made the same...

Remember guys, the ticker is always right... If a price was recorded on the tape, no one can fight it... We just have to get used to the fact that, **** Happens !!! and move on.... ;)...
@Zerodha,

You ask us to accept that **** happens and move on....

Which means u expect us to believe that such things will happen again... in tht case just tell me who will ever feel safe in future to apply a stop loss.

Also, why wdnt some entity with vested interests take advantage of such a situation and purposefully place such freak orders in order to make a lot of people to lose money?

Shouldn't NSE/SEBI take measures to avoid these things?

And more importantly, as our broker, shouldn't you be supporting us rather than asking us to move on...

Do you think you will build investor confidence by doing this?
 
@Zerodha,

You ask us to accept that **** happens and move on....

Which means u expect us to believe that such things will happen again... in tht case just tell me who will ever feel safe in future to apply a stop loss.

Also, why wdnt some entity with vested interests take advantage of such a situation and purposefully place such freak orders in order to make a lot of people to lose money?

Shouldn't NSE/SEBI take measures to avoid these things?

And more importantly, as our broker, shouldn't you be supporting us rather than asking us to move on...

Do you think you will build investor confidence by doing this?
@Zerodha,

You guys had promised me on phone that you have invited all those who suffered due to this freak trade to send a mail to you and you will forward a collective mail on our behalf to NSE.

Can you please confirm publicly that you have done so... this might help us believe that you r trying something for your clients... and tht you r different from other brokers who r only concerned with their own interests with least concern abt the clients.
 
Originally Posted by Zerodha
About the Freak trade triggering the stop losses....

... Even the trade that got executed at 3500, was later reversed by the exchange...

Problems are acceptable, coverups are not. This is bad.
This is like a bomb is blast and many people get injured... and government just hides all the evidence of the blast and does nothing to heal the injured... so on wch side is the government then?

In case of Minifty freak trade: on whose side is SEBI?

P.S.: sorry if analogy is bad... but thts how i felt
 
Currency trading in Zerodha and NOW time lag

Does Zerodha allow currency trading in contracts of all the months. At Indiabulls I am only allowed to trade in the next 4 month contracts. Am planning to close my account with them and move to Zerodha.

Can anyone tell me what is the time lag when using NOW, the Indiabulls PIB has a time lag of over 90 seconds for some scrips. Makes trading impossible.
 
Hi,

with due respect to Zerodha team and your intentions.

just want to know if there is any conflict of interest wrt to having few algo traders in your team and also have a platform of retail traders.

after all, market is about stop hunting.
Algo trading is mostly done in quantity of 15000 to 20000 nifty. Hundreds of times a day. These are mathematical algos, designed to trade very very small differences in prices, where speed is of essence, and where manual punching of orders fails. I doubt zerodha needs algos to hunt your stops. It can be done manually too, though I doubt retail traders trade 20000 nifty hundreds of times a day. Maybe a few, but not the stereotyped retail trader with 2,00,000 in his account, as zerodha had once mentioned.

All brokers have prop desks, and the only way to avoid it, is to buy your own brokerage seat on the NSE.

I know a few, 3 to be precise, who have done that too..... to avoid showing their pattern of trading to their brokers. They have their own algos running, though the main source of income is from manual trading.

Algos have to be disclosed to the NSE.

2 days back, on bloomberg, there was a program on algo trading on nse, and they said some traders have volumes upto 2 lakh crores per year, based in delhi.
 
ET Bureau Mar 10, 2012, 05.55AM IST

Securities and Exchange Board of India's chief UK Sinha reiterated on Friday that the regulator is considering imposing speed limits on high-frequency trading of listed Indian shares.

"Earlier, it was 200 micro second speed, then 20 micro second and then 8 micro seconds, and there are still demands to reduce it even further.

This is algo trading microseconds here count, not stop hunting :)
 
Hi,

with due respect to Zerodha team and your intentions.

just want to know if there is any conflict of interest wrt to having few algo traders in your team and also have a platform of retail traders.

after all, market is about stop hunting.
This is something I've wondered too. I noticed the declaration that Zerodha does engage in Prop trading... There needs to be a clear wall between your broking business and your Prop desk. If I found out my broker was Front running my trades or anything similar, I'd be more than a little angry. So, Zerodha - is there a wall of separation between your broking operations and your prop trading activities?

Prop trading within the brokers' premises/using client information as an input and anything similar should be absolutely illegal. Non public information.
 
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