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Short nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070

hi guys,

need ur help... i shorted nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070 last week... it was expected markets will go down... but the unexpected happnd n markets rallied above 4450.. I am considering there will be heavy profit booking close to expiry which will pull markets down...

can any1 help me wat shud i do wid my open positions... i am suffering a heavy loss at present.
 
Re: Short nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070

hi guys,

need ur help... i shorted nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070 last week... it was expected markets will go down... but the unexpected happnd n markets rallied above 4450.. I am considering there will be heavy profit booking close to expiry which will pull markets down...

can any1 help me wat shud i do wid my open positions... i am suffering a heavy loss at present.
IMHO if i could have been in ur shoes, there were two ways for me.
One
If i have well capitalised and havent used too much of leverage in the account, i could wait for 4670 though it involve a further loss of approx 9k on one lot.
Two
I would cut the loss on a down day and revaluate the market situtation.
Personally i feel that market is due for a small intraday correction as its a bit overbought on smaller timeframes. So u could exit on such a day. I dont see any reason for the market to breakout convincingly above 4700 as of yet other than the global uptrend.
Now the question remains whether u would get ur entry price for BE or not I feel in the short run No so if u are a positional trader with deep pocket hang on with SL at 4700 else bookout on a weak day and realign ur portfolio.

Hope that helps
 
offtopic:

Sunil one question regarding brokerage house.
i saw in ur post that u are using religare and tradetiger both.
is any other reason except min brokerage for using tradetiger
plz. explain
coz i think ODIN is better
 

Sunil

Well-Known Member
offtopic:

Sunil one question regarding brokerage house.
i saw in ur post that u are using religare and tradetiger both.
is any other reason except min brokerage for using tradetiger
plz. explain
coz i think ODIN is better
For trading, I use Religare alone.

SK is a very old investment account since the good old IPO days, for placing multiple biddings.
I got it converted to TRADETIGER for free, which as of now, I use only for its 5-day intraday charting feature (this feature is absent in religare, as intraday charting is limited to only the current day's trading session)

Brok. of SK is higher than normal market rates with similiar volume

Heard that the recent version of ODIN has inbuilt charting facility...
 
Re: Short nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070

Thank you so much for your suggestion and i gues i m gonna to do the same, but should i short again NIfty Aug say @ 4600 or 4650 sothat my average will be around 4400..

thanks


IMHO if i could have been in ur shoes, there were two ways for me.
One
If i have well capitalised and havent used too much of leverage in the account, i could wait for 4670 though it involve a further loss of approx 9k on one lot.
Two
I would cut the loss on a down day and revaluate the market situtation.
Personally i feel that market is due for a small intraday correction as its a bit overbought on smaller timeframes. So u could exit on such a day. I dont see any reason for the market to breakout convincingly above 4700 as of yet other than the global uptrend.
Now the question remains whether u would get ur entry price for BE or not I feel in the short run No so if u are a positional trader with deep pocket hang on with SL at 4700 else bookout on a weak day and realign ur portfolio.

Hope that helps

IMHO if i could have been in ur shoes, there were two ways for me.
One
If i have well capitalised and havent used too much of leverage in the account, i could wait for 4670 though it involve a further loss of approx 9k on one lot.
Two
I would cut the loss on a down day and revaluate the market situtation.
Personally i feel that market is due for a small intraday correction as its a bit overbought on smaller timeframes. So u could exit on such a day. I dont see any reason for the market to breakout convincingly above 4700 as of yet other than the global uptrend.
Now the question remains whether u would get ur entry price for BE or not I feel in the short run No so if u are a positional trader with deep pocket hang on with SL at 4700 else bookout on a weak day and realign ur portfolio.

Hope that helps
 

lazytrader

Well-Known Member
After two days of hard work and backtesting of system, I have managed to prepare a trading plan for myself.
It looks more of a trading system than a trading plan. As AW has mentioned a trading system fits inside a trading plan. here's something that would give you an idea and help you chalk out a trading plan http://www.trade2win.com/media/knowledge/tim-wilcox/T2W_Trading_Plan_Template_2005.pdf
(Draft of rules given for NR7 trading by AW is my main source of inspiration for writting my trading plan; Aw's suggestion of using 3,8,13 has also produced a base for my system. I always believe in building one floor onto another,rather than starting from the scratch)
Not a big fan of small periods for MA other than being too hard to see the crossovers I find them moving too fast. I just use candlesticks directly for short TF so wont comment on the trading system.
Position Sizing: (This I will have to modify after 3-4 years when I will switch to full time trading)
-As I will be doing part time trading for next 3-4 years, I will be trading only in nifty (no other script is possible for me to manage), hence any given time I would be in single trade. So, I would be putting 75-80% of my capital on single trade with 20-25% of the capital kept for margin covering in case trade is going against me and is within my stop loss.

Money management:
-I will be taking risk of no more than 5 % of my total capital on one trade. Accordingly, I will calculate the points of risk I am ready to take and will take the trade only if these points are within my risk limit of 5% .
-I will not be leaving more than 150 points on the table overnight.
- If you reduce the no of indicators you are watching you can increase the number of scripts to watch.
- 75-80% capital in a single trade and 5% risk. Guess what that is - "A recipe for disaster". Let me explain with an example using NF and 1Lakh capital.
Take one lot position, Rs.30k used with 20pt SL = Rs.1000 risked
In %age terms, 30% capital, 1% risk.
When the position moves in favour by 30pts take more lot move the SL up by 15pts. Now 60% capital used, risked 1.5% but on a profitable position, and so on..

This is just an example to show you how we can take up massive positions but without increasing risk. What it costs is time. You will need to look into lower timeframes to get into good RR positions and build up positions. I would insist you rework the position sizing.

Mental Setup:
-I am gonna understand my system very well by identifying its strong and week points.
-I will not look for any other exits rule than those defined above.
-I will not look at daily, weekely charts of nifty; any other technical tools than those defined under system; any other international indices and channels like CNBC.
-I will spend my all energy focussing execution of trade rather than caring about profit and loss points on the trade.
Will again skip commenting on this part because I regulary watch News, CNBC in particular, watchout for global indices for cues, regularly look for comments from seniors here on nifty direction and calls and pay special attention to their TA. :)

When not to trade my plan:
-In case I dont have open position and mind is occupied with other things.
And finally, I suppose is just phrased incorrectly. It must have been "When not to trade", because when not to trade your plan is when you have a better trading plan or when you are not trading at all. :D

One other thing I would like to add, I don't know how many agree to this - Dennis Gartman who once published The 20 Ridiculously Simple Rules of Trading wrote in his final rule:
"20. Finally, all rules are meant to be broken. The trick is knowing when... and how infrequently this rule may be invoked!" :D
 
Re: Short nifty futures for month of 27 August at 4070

Thank you so much for your suggestion and i gues i m gonna to do the same, but should i short again NIfty Aug say @ 4600 or 4650 sothat my average will be around 4400..

thanks


ADDING ONE MORE SHORT WOULD DEPEND ON THE FOLLOWING FACTORS.

1. Whats is the account size. Is it big enough to be in trade with two shorts and a SL at 4700. 2. Market condition when it nears 4650 or so. my experience says that if it reaches around 4650 or so in can takeout some stops built around that level in a spike squeeze of shorts. and if it has to return it should not try piercing that level.

Keeping in mind the fact above specially at 1, u may plan ur trade. As the second short involves a smaller SL so is prudent provided the account size allows
 

lazytrader

Well-Known Member
For trading, I use Religare alone.

SK is a very old investment account since the good old IPO days, for placing multiple biddings.
I got it converted to TRADETIGER for free, which as of now, I use only for its 5-day intraday charting feature (this feature is absent in religare, as intraday charting is limited to only the current day's trading session)

Brok. of SK is higher than normal market rates with similiar volume

Heard that the recent version of ODIN has inbuilt charting facility...
Are you using Religares' ODIN or tradeanywhere platform?
If ODIN then which version? I heard you have to download a file ODINCharts.ocx and then register it (in the windows registry).
RKGlobal is providing it here in others (in the list) section:
http://www.rkglobal.net/Downloads.asp
Couldn't find any details on what needs to be done though. Have you asked religare for charting in ODIN?

I don't know much about odin but want to get one because everyone says it is the best and more and more brokers are leaning towards it.
 

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