Day Trading Stocks & Futures

whisky

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

Index Futures it is difficult to manupulate.


I thought it is always the otherways.

Index futures are more prone to manipulation because of the huge participation of the FII's and Market makers.
Options Volumes are several times that of the Index and hence highly manipulated.

DII's unfortunately are not available to counter their manipulation.

May be manipulation in terms of sudden price hike/fall may not be possible with Index but manipulation in terms of Sideways,Break out failures,Price action failures,Pattern failures and gaps are more prevalent in the Index than the stocks.
"DII's unfortunately are not available to counter their manipulation." can you please explain more ?

"May be manipulation in terms of sudden price hike/fall may not be possible with Index but manipulation in terms of Sideways,Break out failures,Price action failures,Pattern failures and gaps are more prevalent in the Index than the stocks."
people doing this must be very highly skilled, knowing what people want to see, luring them and then trapping them. Right now i can see
people getting trapped and trade it but planning to trap people and executing it is a totally a different level of game, hopefully we will also be able to do that one day.
 

whisky

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whisky

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

This is what I got from NSE Website Roles & Responsibilities of Market Makers.



The following are the roles, obligations and responsibilities that are required to be carried out by the Market Maker.

The Market Maker shall be required to provide a 2-way quote for 75% of the time in a day.
The minimum depth of the quote shall be Rs.1,00,000/-. However, the investors with holdings of value less than Rs 1,00,000 shall be allowed to offer their holding to the Market Maker in that scrip provided that he sells his entire holding in that scrip in one lot along with a declaration to the effect to the selling broker.
Execution of the order at the quoted price and quantity must be guaranteed by the Market Maker, for the quotes given by him.
There would not be more than five Market Makers per scrip.
The Market Maker may compete with other Market Makers for better quotes to the investors.
The Market Maker has to start providing quotes from the day of the listing / the day for the respective scrip and shall be subject to the guidelines laid down for market making by the exchange.
The Market Maker has to act in that capacity for a period of three years.
 

jagankris

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

"DII's unfortunately are not available to counter their manipulation." can you please explain more ?

"May be manipulation in terms of sudden price hike/fall may not be possible with Index but manipulation in terms of Sideways,Break out failures,Price action failures,Pattern failures and gaps are more prevalent in the Index than the stocks."
people doing this must be very highly skilled, knowing what people want to see, luring them and then trapping them. Right now i can see
people getting trapped and trade it but planning to trap people and executing it is a totally a different level of game, hopefully we will also be able to do that one day.
DII's are not allowed to participate in taking Index Futures and Options trade in the same way like others.They have some restrictions.
Their volume is very less.
They can hedge only their positions in the stock futures.
This is again subjected to the Mutual Funds where linking derivatives trades are an option given to the retail.

People doing this must be very highly skilled, knowing what people want to see, luring them and then trapping them.

Think from this perspective.Market makers continously place buy - sell orders.
When most of the crowd start buying at the ask - what will happen - price will raise - indicating demand.

So after some time - the market makers will have certain longs and certain shorts depending upon the buy sell orders.
So they will book profits in the long after a certain high price and initiate fresh shorts at a higher price level and bring the price to a level where can cover their shorts squeezing all the longs.

This is a continuous process and happens in all time frames from tick :D
 

kthakker0

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re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

21/12/2013 Saturday

Hi,

Below are the forecasted sequential events in chronological order that has happened in the market.

18/12/2013 Wednesday

Hi,

NF is trading above 6250. Lets see what the official Close is.

Now New target 6330+ only when NF closes above 6250

Tomorrow, sustaining above 6290 is 6330 and then 6350 the max target.

God bless Bulls

Bye
NF did not close > 6250 as The Official Close was 6249.65
And Bulls were neither Blessed nor spared


18/12/2013 Wednesday

Hi,

Tomorrow's high (about 6290) should be used to book partial profits to enter again when NF trades at lower levels.

Let's C how market behaves tomorrow.


Bye
The market behaved the way it was forecasted NF high was 6289 and then a drastic fall of over 100 points

19/12/2013 Thursday

Hi,

NF High 6289

Hey guys did any one book profits or u guys were too slow for it.

Already a 100 points in NF. A big Joke for all Bulls

C market is behaving the way it should be.

Bye
19/12/2013 Thursday

Hi,

If you think that it's time to enter short trade then don't do it without a Strict SL of 6211

I think it's Time to go long (Perhaps)

Bye
19/12/2013 Thursday

Hi,

The above "Perhaps" seems to be slowly getting out of way and is signalling a rally in NF

Bye

19/12/2013 Thursday

The market at lower (6161) levels should have been used to enter Long Trades.

Such great volatility jis-may sab kee band baj chuki hai is always good for those who understands the market properly.

Bye
20/12/2013 Friday

Hi,

This market has a Very Good Habit of Giving winning streaks every now and then.

Current situation been the same as of Wednesday 18/12/2013 has provided us with a mirror like situation.

Those who benefits are Smart Alex

Read the above situation and go for 6330 next week along with Expiry.

Bye
20/12/2013 Friday

Hi,

NF not breaching 6150 signalled that 6330-6350 is the target.

Aur ab sab say pehlay Seller's kee wat

Dusree bat NF already traded > 6290 which say's that I am ready to kiss 6330-6350 any time.

Happy Weekend to Longer's and Condolence to Seller's who are still trapped and also to those who have suffered some Red.

Bye
21/12/2013 Saturday

Next Week is combination of following...
  • (Almost) Year End Week
  • Dec 2013 Series Ending Week
  • And is (Perhaps) The Last Time Bulls will Enjoy such a rally at such great higher levels.

Is the below forecast possible? Do you believe it?
  • Bull party will last till Year 2013 End
  • But
  • The Bear's Party will carry on even in the New Year 2014

Believe it with a pinch of salt

Bye n Happy Week-End
 

whisky

Well-Known Member
re: Day trading Nifty & Banknifty Futures

This is what I got from NSE Website Roles & Responsibilities of Market Makers.



The following are the roles, obligations and responsibilities that are required to be carried out by the Market Maker.

The Market Maker shall be required to provide a 2-way quote for 75% of the time in a day.
The minimum depth of the quote shall be Rs.1,00,000/-. However, the investors with holdings of value less than Rs 1,00,000 shall be allowed to offer their holding to the Market Maker in that scrip provided that he sells his entire holding in that scrip in one lot along with a declaration to the effect to the selling broker.
Execution of the order at the quoted price and quantity must be guaranteed by the Market Maker, for the quotes given by him.
There would not be more than five Market Makers per scrip.
The Market Maker may compete with other Market Makers for better quotes to the investors.
The Market Maker has to start providing quotes from the day of the listing / the day for the respective scrip and shall be subject to the guidelines laid down for market making by the exchange.
The Market Maker has to act in that capacity for a period of three years.
A. ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR MARKET MAKERS ON EMERGE
The eligibility criteria for Market Makers are listed below; these will be reviewed on an annual
basis:
1. Only trading members of Capital Market Segment of NSE will be eligible to apply for registering as market makers.
2. At the time of application and at all times while being a Market Maker, the Market Maker
should meet the minimum net worth of Rs. 1 crore
(as per computation methodology stipulated
for membership of the NSE Capital Market Segment). For the purpose of this clause, the existing
networth, as specified by NSE for the Capital Market Segment will be considered.
3. Any other criteria as specified by NSE from time to time.

It is the requirement of SEBI to have Market Makers.
 

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