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I was searching for something and found something interesting in Jet airways Ltd. Its been a nightmare for the investors of this stock
Currently it looks to me red wave (5) is going on in daily time frame
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Below chart is subwaves of red wave (5) in the above chart
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Red wave(5) looks to have wave extensions. It looks to me it has completed blue wave 3 in the above chart and blue wave 5 is going on. Blue wave 5 is comprised of its cyan subwaves and it looks like cyan wave 4 completed (or still unfolding)and cyan wave 5 might still be due and it might further deteriorate another 50-65% from cmp of 62.25. Once it breaks above the smaller (inner channel) price might appreciate and go above 280 in the coming weeks to months
Below chart shows the zoomed view of blue wave 5 with its subwaves in cyan color. Lets just keep an eye on this stock . looks to me once it completes this cyan wave 5, Price might appreciate sharply. Probably around the end of cyan wave 5 Jet airways might produce some good news about being acquired by some big company. Lets see who is going to be.
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This post if only for knowledge sharing. Thanks
It's not a good idea to bet on a steeply downtrodden company just using waves. Eg, check past waves of Rcom or orchid pharma with full honesty. At every time it fell, it would seem 5 waves are over and now it will shoot up. But it never did. Waves will not work in a script whose fundamentals is stinking bad. Wave is a trade timing tool, it has no power to move price. Just my two cents.

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mohan.sic

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No, in intraday itself in 5 min timeframe price would reach a resistance or support, stay there for some time, and then next candle would open with a gap, failing to initiate my order. I guess that may be these institutions bulk orders getting executed first, like you said... I don't do preopen orders, had lessons :)
what is the point you are making sir
your buy order will be filled if there is a sell order matching your order, else it simply goes pending.

suppose last trading price was 100, and now you placed buy at Rs.100 and seller is at 101. Now say 5 mt candle ended at this point. Now I went ahead and bought at seller price 101. Now when a new candle forms, it displays a gap up of Rs.1 as there is a gap between 100 & 101. ( ltp and previous ltp)

why will institutions or any others orders get executed first ? All participants are equal.
Our market operates on Price-Time priority basis. You place buy at 100 and I place buy at 101, then obviously my order gets executed. And if both of us place the buy order at Rs.100 ( same price ), then the person who first placed the order will get priority and his order gets executed first ( provided if a seller agrees and sells at Rs.100).
 

mohan.sic

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Stop Loss hunting by Smart Money. Well known technique.
Biggies would know , where retailers are likely to put their stops(based on Fib level, S/R etc etc). And they have money, lots of it.

Suppose they decided to take up Nifty. And retailers also thinking, NF will go up.
Now retailer buys NF and then places a Stop at his perceived reversal point based on fib SR or whatever.
Now these Stop orders sitting in exchanges are actually a Short position created by retailers as limit orders.
(Biggis don't need brokers to tell them this inside info, they will hunt it out)

Now if NF moves up, Biggis will have to share their profits with these Long retailers. Which they don't want obviously. So they need to flush these retailers out.
They have the money, lots of it.
So they start shorting, they bring NF down to levels where they think retailers have put stops (Created limit orders shorts). and buy punching aggressive market orders, they eat out these stops.
Onces they know there are no more shorts remaining, they start punching buy orders. Marking up the NF and NF shoots up. They laugh all the way to bank. Retailers are left blaming brokers, exchanges, own luck etc etc.

That's why you see many a times, before brake out above, there is initially a so called failed breakdown attempts (Its Biggis at work, flushing out retailers)

So if your are convinced of a directional move, the worst thing to do is to put a Stop. Most of the time it will be eaten.
So what to do, have deep stop loss. Even that can be eaten, more heartburn. And it defeats it purpose.
Better to know, a point from where mkt will reverse, and close trade yourself than to let Biggies stop you out. Or find other ways. :)
where do you get all this info from. Have you worked for any broker and saw these things practically.
 

iwillwin

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No, in intraday itself in 5 min timeframe price would reach a resistance or support, stay there for some time, and then next candle would open with a gap, failing to initiate my order. I guess that may be these institutions bulk orders getting executed first, like you said... I don't do preopen orders, had lessons :)
If u watch price action live such things happen more when price is near support/resistance levels....current candle will close within support/resistance level and as soon as candle is closed next candle open happens far away from previous candle close and will move further away quickly from support/resistance taking away stops who don't wait for candle close above/below support resistance....
This is how trend changes and retailers keep watching is it really trend changed
 

mohan.sic

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what you think are the reasons that you are so much profitable but not able to scale up ?
I think two big reasons are,

1. If I scale up the lot size in a single order, my fear is going up and confidence is coming down. So I am acting very quickly on the open loss position and booking frequent losses even if they go slightly opposite.

2. I like trading, but I do not want to choose this as a career full time. I am trading full time from 6 months as I'm free now till I get engaged in some business plan.
 

mohan.sic

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If u watch price action live such things happen more when price is near support/resistance levels....current candle will close within support/resistance level and as soon as candle is closed next candle open happens far away from previous candle close and will move further away quickly from support/resistance taking away stops who don't wait for candle close above/below support resistance....
This is how trend changes and retailers keep watching is it really trend changed

This is our problem completely.

Candles, Bars, Time frames, patterns etc all these are our creations from the same market data.

We may plot a 5 mt candle stick chart and start looking at market from the prism of that 5 mt candles.
But market flow does not know anything about these candles. So it does not care to give a close near support/resistance. These supports or resistances can be taken away in the middle of the candles. That's not a flaw in market movement. That's our problem. Market does not know that it is passing through a support zone in 5mt frame nor it knows its passing through a resistance in hourly chart.
 

iwillwin

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This is our problem completely.

Candles, Bars, Time frames, patterns etc all these are our creations from the same market data.

We may plot a 5 mt candle stick chart and start looking at market from the prism of that 5 mt candles.
But market flow does not know anything about these candles. So it does not care to give a close near support/resistance. These supports or resistances can be taken away in the middle of the candles. That's not a flaw in market movement. That's our problem. Market does not know that it is passing through a support zone in 5mt frame nor it knows its passing through a resistance in hourly chart.
But market flow is caused by decision that a buyer and seller makes thinking of probable moves market may make....such support and resistance are where indecision or buyer/seller level and there is consolidation....
Market moves because of decision taken by market participants be it any level....but support/resistance plays a role as major decisions have taken place earlier at those levels....
We in our trading timeframe are suppose to align with underlying market trend/strength and trade as per our timeframe comfort....
Most of us lack conviction in trade and hence can't hold winning position which help in countering loss trades....
My personal views only
 
Ill explain. It is not that @TraderRavi bhai buys stocks that are going up. Ravi bhai buys and then the Stocks go up i.e candlesticks form after his entry. Ravi bhai doesnt do any analysis. The market does analysis of what he is buying/selling.:cool::cool:
That's why nifty is termed suar:p
 
I think two big reasons are,

1. If I scale up the lot size in a single order, my fear is going up and confidence is coming down. So I am acting very quickly on the open loss position and booking frequent losses even if they go slightly opposite.

2. I like trading, but I do not want to choose this as a career full time. I am trading full time from 6 months as I'm free now till I get engaged in some business plan.
It happens with me too..
I think the main reason for trading low is to see the positional loss or gain in money..we just ignore the %age..only see the real amount...that affects the judgement..
 

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