Going With The 60min Flow!!!

Which Futures do u all trade with real Money?

  • MiniNifty

    Votes: 28 40.6%
  • Nifty

    Votes: 50 72.5%
  • Aban

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • L&T

    Votes: 18 26.1%
  • Hdil

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • JP asso

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • RIL

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Relcap

    Votes: 11 15.9%
  • Suzlon

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Educomp

    Votes: 8 11.6%

  • Total voters
    69
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beethoven

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Re: 60min Flow Trades for the Week: Saint's Method

Hi neeraj,

Generally I keep LONG positions for short duration and SHORT positions
for long duration in this BEAR market.
In the method we follow here, we do not have a choice to keep long or short position as per our wish. If the method says it is time to go short then we go short; if it is time to go long we go long.

When trading this method, we should leave all our prejudices out and trade dispassionately as per the signals generated by the method.

Bee
 

KomaL2099

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Re: Live discussion Saint's - 60 minute flow

Guys help me out .. the profit earned from future trading is taxable under normal income tax or shall be treated as Short term capital gain ...
I tried to search but there are different views
 

prasadam

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Re: Live discussion Saint's - 60 minute flow

Guys help me out .. the profit earned from future trading is taxable under normal income tax or shall be treated as Short term capital gain ...
I tried to search but there are different views
Business Income. taxable at normal rates.:)
 

prasadam

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Re: Live discussion Saint's - 60 minute flow

An informative post by one of the members.
which is absolutely correct. except for the penalty part. which is 0.5% of turnover or Rs. 1 lakh, which ever is less.

For Tax purpose the Income tax act distinguishes between Delivery, Intraday trading in cash segment and FnO segments.

Consequently the tax treatment for profit/loss in all three are different.

CASH DELIVERY
Delivery is deemed as investment in an asset. Therefore Capital gains rules apply.
On short term investment i.e. shares bought in cash segment and sold before completion of 1 year from date of purchasing, you have to pay 15% of profits as STCG Tax (10% for AY 2008-09/FY 2007-08)
On long term investments i.e. shares sold after 1 year of holding the long term tax applies which currently is NIL.
Any loss is allowed to be carry forward and set off for 8 years

CASH INTRADAY
Intraday trading in Cash segment is deemed as speculation, same as lottery or betting on horse racing.
The tax rate applicable on profits from speculation income is flat 30%.
Any loss is allowed to be carry forward for 4 years, to be set off against future speculation profits.

DERIVATIVES/F&O
Dealing in FnO is treated as Business. Thus normal business taxation rules apply as they would to any other business. The rate of Tax is as per Slab applicable in the respective year. In current year, income upto 150,000 is exempt. Above it the Slab rates come into effect.
Any loss again is allowed to carry forward for 8 years and set off against other heads of income or future income.

The exempt income slab Rs. 150,000 is available to every individual. i.e. If your total income does not exceed rs. 1.5 L you are not liable to any tax, irrespective of the nature of income being Capital gain or Speculation income or Business Income. Above that the tax rates come into effect.

IMP: TAX AUDIT IS ONLY REQD FOR BUSINESS INCOME I.E FOR INCOME FROM DERIVATIVES/FUTURES AND OPTIONS. Not from Income from Capital Assets or Speculation Income. So you may have a income of Rs. 2 Crore from Delivery/Intraday but no need for Tax Audit.
Another point to note is the method by which the limit of 40 Lakh is calculated for audit purpose in case of Derivatives. As the Future lots are upwards of Rs. 2 Lakhs its quite easy to cross the 40 Lakh figure by way of turnover, which is incorrect in principle.
So the total difference between Buy and Sell price of FnO is taken to calculate the 40 Lakh limit, i.e. the profit + loss + premium on options recd + premiums paid.
It may well be that you have net loss from derivatives and still have to go for tax audit. For e.g. Profit 20 L + Loss 25 Lakh = Turnover 45 Lakh Tax Audit Reqd. Net Loss = Rs. -500,000. :eek:

Only consolation is that Tax Audit requirement is dependend upon each year's turnover. And most tax clerks are big assholes. They don't go the extra effort to calculate the audit eligibility of each trader, though the penalty for same if you are required and you dont get it done by due date is Rs. 100,000. There are also provisions for prosecution (jail:() in worst case scenarios.
 

humble

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Re: 60min Flow Trades for the Week: Saint's Method

nifty trades 4 d week




longs are always gng to b a lil tough to manage.....we r into bear mkt......give it sum time and space to workout.....

nd accept the change.......keep the 'i' out . this is what i have learnt......


regards

neeraj
Could you please let me know whether you went long on March 6th? As per my understanding[I am newbie] it should be March 6th, ie. considering the March 5th's last two bars and March 6th's first two bars, the "March 5th last bar" forms the "Pivot high", so the entry would be "Pivot high + filter". Please do confirm.

Regards,
-Sri

It's wonderful here, first the 60 minute flow then Intraday miniflow. Entries, Moving filters, Small filters, Pivots, SAR's and now Gaps :D... never ending, however enjoying everything and amazed by it's effect :).
 
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