Going With The 60min Flow!!!

Which Futures do u all trade with real Money?

  • MiniNifty

    Votes: 28 40.6%
  • Nifty

    Votes: 50 72.5%
  • Aban

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • L&T

    Votes: 18 26.1%
  • Hdil

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • JP asso

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • RIL

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Relcap

    Votes: 11 15.9%
  • Suzlon

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Educomp

    Votes: 8 11.6%

  • Total voters
    69
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AMITBE

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AGGRESSIVE ,my friend.........may have missed a pivot yesterday,but other than that....AGGRESSIVE.

You and I give the Purists here a Bad name if we call ourselves that......:)

They are still holding their shorts from 10th Sept...

Saint


LOL Saint. That darn pivot. It started all this talk today.

For now raising SAR on NF and ABAN as follows?

NF at 3967 less filter on account of two bar tool on 60 min.

ABAN at 2295 for the same reason.
Though in ABAN there is another point at 2310 on 30 min.

Amit.

And yes, there's another SAR for NF at 3994 on 30 min.

Both variations of this method are equally correct,it's one baby looked at closely and from afar---same baby----

Hope you are still in the Flow with IOC!

Saint
This wonderful little post above should really put a cap on the discussion.
No body but the baby's dad could have said it better.

In my post above (2nd) late day today, I had pointed out two pivots in each of the trades, both a little distance apart.
Aggressive or purist, a sensible trader will take a closer look at the killer volatility that's prevailing and take a call:

In this market, do NF and ABAN need more space to exhaust sharp jittery moves so that we don't get thrown out too early?
Or is it that in these violent times I need to exit/reverse on the nearest valid pivot and take a call later? Remember, the discretionary trader has a chance of getting in again at the other pivot, should the market reverse.

Then again, a couple of days ago, I called two pivots on 30, both clear and stark as daylight, Saint affirmed both, and I think all here accepted both.
Here there were no obvious pivots on 60.

Then yesterday when this debate began, in my percetion...and in the perception of many others (and don't bother to push 'Thanks' button to confirm) while the 60 min pivot was rendered obscure and feeble by those sharp up-down moves, and there was absolutely none on 30, Saint belatedly called the 60. That was his perception. Lots of the team members scampered to cover positions...some confusion prevailed...people called out to one another for support. Some took it and some didn't. The way the Dow behaved, and then our market behaved this morning, the ones who didn't take that pivot were in a lot of bother. Later things evened out.

Then who was the aggressive trader a couple of days ago, and who suddenly went purist late yesterday?
Is the answer all that thick?
Would I bother to hunt for a pivot on 30 if a 60 is breathing down my neck?
Are aggressive and purist merely defined like this?

Please look up and read Saint's quote again...same baby.

Why, then why all the heat and sweat??

Look at yourselves.
Are you a quick witted, discerning trader?
Willing and ready to be flexible?
Willing to not get bogged down within words that in the end mean the same thing?
Willing to learn, learn, and relearn?
Ready to feel no heart burn nor panic when on the wrong side?
Ready to take independent responsibility for your actions?

If yes, work on the weaknesses, listen sharp to Saint's softly spoken words and go make a kill and forget all this talk.

Please people, you guys are the keepers of this thread.
Satya...man4urheart...SmartTrade...Parabjeet...scores of others...yes, you guys are the keepers here, and able assistants to Saint.

I? I'm just a fellow come lately here, will make a rare comment here and there if need be, and be off making my killings, aggressive or purist, but most darn certain of my decision.

So clean your heads and come over tomorrow to your stations.
There's much work to be done.

Take care guys.

Amit.
 
Re: Questions from juniors on"Going with 60minute flow"

My ADD points in JPA in the Intraday thread :confused:......never traded JPA intraday,unless memory deserts me.

What time frame are you looking at?TANEWBIE has just answered your doubt......did you understand after having a look at the chart,or still need some clarification?

Saint
Saint,

Sory for the confusion. I paper trade 10min chart. JPA is related to thischart.

ADDS - I saw your adds in NF. Hence the Q.

Tanewbie has shown some points. I would like to learn the logic behind selection of these.

vps
 
Re: Questions from juniors on"Going with 60minute flow"

tanewbe,

Thanks for the pains you took in displaying charts to clarify my doubts. JPA- YOU say enter long at 123.7. This pivot is at 12noon. Does one have wait so long for a pivot to form and enter in the direction of the trend?

I use 10min chart only. here too I see a PH at 123.7 at 11.50 AM only. Is it right. Both pivots 5min &10 min chart don't stand out.

I didnot enter because Saint said-- "The moves in the NF are different from JPA.....in JPA,I would tell you,only the visual pivots that are obviously staring at you."

What rule did you follow for NF entry?

Thanks again

vps
 
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Why, then why all the heat and sweat??

Look at yourselves.

Are you a quick witted, discerning trader?

Willing and ready to be flexible?

Willing to not get bogged down within words that in the end mean the same thing?

Willing to learn, learn, and relearn?

Ready to feel no heart burn nor panic when on the wrong side?

Ready to take independent responsibility for your actions?

If yes, work on the weaknesses, listen sharp to Saint's softly spoken words and go make a kill and forget all this talk.

So clean your heads and come over tomorrow to your stations.

There's much work to be done.


Take care guys.

Amit.
T h a n k s
 
Saint, Sorry I didn't want to participate in a whole lot of philosophical discussion, care more about the data content in the thread. Thanks for your patience with us all, and am forever indebted to you for phenomenal difference you have made to my trading. Thank you.

Now to the question I have. I want to try this kind of flow on daily charts in US (don't have patience to stay awake till 1am to do hourly). Have you done it? Anything specific that I should keep in mind? Volatility is usually less in US, but daily will move more than hourly. Will be great if you could mention a ticker and filter-size where the flow would work well as an example.

Thanks,

-- Milind
 
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