Going With The 60min Flow!!!

Which Futures do u all trade with real Money?

  • MiniNifty

    Votes: 28 40.6%
  • Nifty

    Votes: 50 72.5%
  • Aban

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • L&T

    Votes: 18 26.1%
  • Hdil

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • JP asso

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • RIL

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Relcap

    Votes: 11 15.9%
  • Suzlon

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Educomp

    Votes: 8 11.6%

  • Total voters
    69
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rkkarnani

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Dear RK,:)

What is the current SAR in ABAN with respect to 2 bar rule? Is it 2216 + 20 = 2226, as I 'm not familier with 2 bar method.

Regards

Reji
Reji, Neither am I fully familiar with 2 bar method, but seems your figure is correct!! In this case it should be 2 bar method only as there are no pivots nearby in 30 minutes chart too!!
 
Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

How much money is basically needed to enter into this strategy? I mean the leverages we normally safe to take for this startegy.

Is my below calculations true?

Minimum 5 Lots margin.
Hari
Trade Smaller and Longer is the way out here.........I have a stop at previous pivot lows and stop is Rs60 away......I do my Position Sizing,and Rs12k is the risk I am prepared to take,therefore I buy 200,or 4NF lots.However juicy and yummy that pattern may be,I am getting in with 4 lots because my Trading Plan says so.

POSITION SIZING:Very simplistic and rudimentary form,but it still has kept me out of harm's way..........already discussed in the "Teach a Man to...."thread.Entry is at point x........Stops are 60 points off.I take my capital,and risk only 0.5% of it ,say it's 12k.........divide 12k by 60 NF pts,you get 200 shares,or 4 nf lots.Therefore whatever happens,go long with 4 lots only.

One more add:Say we entered with 4 NF lots long,and added another 6 along the way,all the while raising stops,we hold all 10,we get pivots taken out or 2 bar rule in a vertical move violated,then calculate from that pivot high to entry point(for ease of calculations,presuming it's 60pts away,therefore you need to short 4 lots).........so we sell 14 lots,therefore exitting all 10 longs and entering 4 shorts......Apologies for multiple reiterations.
Saint

Hello Hari

Not really clear to me, what you mean by 5 lot margin...

As per Saint Sirs above post, Position Sizing is a function of your capital available to trade this method and the distance of stop from your entry on the current trade...

Suppose you are haveing x amount, then calculate what is 0.5% or 1.0% of that amount, this will be your 'risk amount' for one trade (or the amount you are willing/able to risk on this one trade) ...

Now the position size is calculated considering how far the Stop Loss is from the point of entry...

Position size = Your Risk Amount (say 1% of Capital) / (divided by) Difference in Entry Level & Stop Loss Level

Thanks
 
Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

Hello Hari

Not really clear to me, what you mean by 5 lot margin...

As per Saint Sirs above post, Position Sizing is a function of your capital available to trade this method and the distance of stop from your entry on the current trade...

Suppose you are haveing x amount, then calculate what is 0.5% or 1.0% of that amount, this will be your 'risk amount' for one trade (or the amount you are willing/able to risk on this one trade) ...

Now the position size is calculated considering how far the Stop Loss is from the point of entry...

Position size = Your Risk Amount (say 1% of Capital) / (divided by) Difference in Entry Level & Stop Loss Level

Thanks
Hi Hari,
Capital = 2 lakhs (risk 1% or Rs2,000)

Enter Mini nifity one lot with maximum of 100 points risk
(hence 20*100= 2000 risk)
So 2lakhs needed to trade mini and 5 lakhs minimum for Nifty whos lot size is 50.

MJ-
 

TFL

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Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

Hi Hari,
Capital = 2 lakhs (risk 1% or Rs2,000)

Enter Mini nifity one lot with maximum of 100 points risk
(hence 20*100= 2000 risk)
So 2lakhs needed to trade mini and 5 lakhs minimum for Nifty whos lot size is 50.

MJ-
Thanks MJ,

You mean 5 Lakhs needed for trade 1 lot(Size:50) nifty?

I really meant,

If we trade in NIFTY FUTURES (not miniNF) by the great "60 min Flow" as per money management rules... We need Rs:25 Lakhs(if 5 L for 1 lot) for the 5 lots we trade in long or short. (Entry+Add1+Add2+Add3+Add4) right?

Hari.
 

TFL

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Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

Hello Hari

Not really clear to me, what you mean by 5 lot margin...

As per Saint Sirs above post, Position Sizing is a function of your capital available to trade this method and the distance of stop from your entry on the current trade...

Suppose you are haveing x amount, then calculate what is 0.5% or 1.0% of that amount, this will be your 'risk amount' for one trade (or the amount you are willing/able to risk on this one trade) ...

Now the position size is calculated considering how far the Stop Loss is from the point of entry...

Position size = Your Risk Amount (say 1% of Capital) / (divided by) Difference in Entry Level & Stop Loss Level

Thanks
niftychance,

Please see post #5114 sir.

Thank you.
Hari
 

TFL

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Can any one lead me to the 2 bar Rule thread? Where can I locate it?
Also what is the SAR? Where the details of it?

I am reading this thread from the very first page...There Saint said he is not trading in NIFTY with 60 min flow to avoid gap up gap down risks... Is his position same and only trading NIFTY intraday?

Thanks.
Hari.
 
Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

Thanks MJ,

You mean 5 Lakhs needed for trade 1 lot(Size:50) nifty?

I really meant,

If we trade in NIFTY FUTURES (not miniNF) by the great "60 min Flow" as per money management rules... We need Rs:25 Lakhs(if 5 L for 1 lot) for the 5 lots we trade in long or short. (Entry+Add1+Add2+Add3+Add4) right?

Hari.
First of all as per sir, Max 3 adds, so no 4th add ...

Second the risk for adds will be know only while you are in the trade, so quite difficult to calculate it before hand, although we can do approximation...

On adds the risk on first position has reduced as the markets would have moved in favor of your position. The strat used here is, once you know the entry (for adds) and stop levels calculate the position size that you should go with ...

Overall your capital required estimations look on higher side..

Thanks
 
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Pattel

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Re: Going with the 60min Flow!!

Thanks MJ,

You mean 5 Lakhs needed for trade 1 lot(Size:50) nifty?

I really meant,

If we trade in NIFTY FUTURES (not miniNF) by the great "60 min Flow" as per money management rules... We need Rs:25 Lakhs(if 5 L for 1 lot) for the 5 lots we trade in long or short. (Entry+Add1+Add2+Add3+Add4) right?

Hari.
Not really. you add only when your trade goes in your way then your risk reduces and you add. So you could still manage buy the second lot in 5 lakhs with risk may be little higher say 1.25%, but if you are very strict in the risk part you can add when it allows you to do so, other times you stay away from adding. Saint has mentioned somewhere he follows the first way and some of them here follow the second way. Depends on how much risk you are willing to take.
 
Can any one lead me to the 2 bar Rule thread? Where can I locate it?
Also what is the SAR? Where the details of it?

I am reading this thread from the very first page...There Saint said he is not trading in NIFTY with 60 min flow to avoid gap up gap down risks... Is his position same and only trading NIFTY intraday?

Thanks.
Hari.
Used to trade the 60min Flow Pure on every stock Future,and the Nifty Intraday in the beginning.....Now trading the NF with the 60min Flow as well.

Saint
 
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