Going With The 60min Flow!!!

Which Futures do u all trade with real Money?

  • MiniNifty

    Votes: 28 40.6%
  • Nifty

    Votes: 50 72.5%
  • Aban

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • L&T

    Votes: 18 26.1%
  • Hdil

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • JP asso

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • RIL

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Relcap

    Votes: 11 15.9%
  • Suzlon

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Educomp

    Votes: 8 11.6%

  • Total voters
    69
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Hi Komal,

Seems you have been bitten by this 60 min bug badly, like me, haha. I have been away for three days courtesy my internet provider and was feeling like "fish out of water".

Have not gone thru all posts but your post and the chart above by Satya.

Let me try to reply;

1. I presume you guys are short.
2. The SAR according to me is now at 2868 area.
3. If we gap up to above 2868+15 area then we do not have a SAR point. All our actions are based on finding a SAR asap. So Gap rules come into picture.
4. Now if there is a severe gap down say 100 points or so then also watch out for reversal at 5 min + 20 as we had a downturn for some time now and price down move may be exhausted and looking for a reversal. If minor gap down then wait for a pivot to form.

Hope I have replied. Pl let me know if my logic is flawed in anyway.

Happy trading

Bee

Great discussion,everyone applying his mind to various scenarios and deciding the action which we will take on Monday.

For me the PH is very clearly 2868 and that is fixed.It does not change depending upon where we open on Monday. What changes is our action depending on where we open on Monday.

My action on Monday will be exactly like the ones described by Bee in the above post.

Welcome back Bee,we were missing you too for last 3 days !!!


Best Wishes,

Smart_trade
 

vinst

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Hi Komal,

Seems you have been bitten by this 60 min bug badly, like me, haha. I have been away for three days courtesy my internet provider and was feeling like "fish out of water".

Have not gone thru all posts but your post and the chart above by Satya.

Let me try to reply;

1. I presume you guys are short.
2. The SAR according to me is now at 2868 area.
3. If we gap up to above 2868+15 area then we do not have a SAR point. All our actions are based on finding a SAR asap. So Gap rules come into picture.
4. Now if there is a severe gap down say 100 points or so then also watch out for reversal at 5 min + 20 as we had a downturn for some time now and price down move may be exhausted and looking for a reversal. If minor gap down then wait for a pivot to form.

Hope I have replied. Pl let me know if my logic is flawed in anyway.

Happy trading

Bee
I fully agree with all the points mentioned by Bee, including gap scenarios.

regards,
vin
 

Pattel

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Rakesh,
Here you go. Posting chart for Just pivot, no gap rules. Will post with gap rules soon.
Green arrow buy SAR
Red arrow sell SAR
slanted blue arrows add
blue horizontal blue lines SL

Satya,
I'll post other chart which i said i will.
 
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bandlab2

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hi patel,

right now i am a beginner doing paper trading. i could not nderstand how u got long buy on oct 27th monday, i didnt see any PH on that day as you have marked. can you verify one more time ?

thanks
 

bandlab2

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one question. i am seeing 7 hourly bars in my chart. for this strategy, how do you treat 3-3:30 and 9:55-10:00. do you merge them and treat as one bar ? or you completely ignore 9:55 to 10:00 ?

thanks
 

bandlab2

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Hai,
this sheet is my last one month paper trade in 60 min.I am trading with real in miniflow.seniours help me to improve my trading.
Thanks SAM for his excell sheet
Regards
VJAY

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dear vijay,

the image is too small to see. can you upload the excel file itself ?
 
hi patel,

right now i am a beginner doing paper trading. i could not nderstand how u got long buy on oct 27th monday, i didnt see any PH on that day as you have marked. can you verify one more time ?

thanks
This reversal to long is on 2 bars rule,not on pivot. pattel can throw more light as he has done the trade compilation.There appears little error in the chart.The 3rd bar on 27th has a lower low than 2nd bar.Also the lower lows continue in 4th and 5 th bar and the steep fall,WRB all make it a perfect case for 2 bars rule reversal.

pattel,very smart chart from you.This chart will help new friends to understand the system trade by trade. Thanks for your efforts and inputs.


Best Wishes,

Smart_trade
 
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Pattel

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hi patel,

right now i am a beginner doing paper trading. i could not nderstand how u got long buy on oct 27th monday, i didnt see any PH on that day as you have marked. can you verify one more time ?

thanks
Bandlab,
My eyes see a pivot there, may be a minor or tiny or whatever name we call them. when 1-2pm bar makes a new low i move my SL to high + room of that pivot.

Just for clarity i'm posting a 30 min chart for that area, don't want to invite controversies about using 30 min chart, just for understanding purpose.

 

Prabhjeet

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...in continuation

The Correct tick mark denotes where the gap-reverse rule comes into play. The Cross (x) demotes where it does not.

The lines above/below the opening bars denote the place where we go long/short.

Whipsaws are there...but then please tell me how to reduce them.


Wonderful idea Rakesh, its better to have a gap that is visible to us not only on 60 min. but Daily charts also. If a gap is going below/above 2-3 days range then sure it will be fully visble to us even on Dailies and these are the Gaps where bulk of traders want to get in.


I was actually thinking about 2 strategies which can be used for gaps by blending them with original Saint's strategies.

1. As for first strategy we simply use Saint's original method where we apply stoploss below 1st 5 min bar only when gap opens below our stops otherwise if Gap opens in direction of previous trend we keep the stoplosses below our last Pivot only.

This is the simplest one and proved to be effective when we were using it back few months but only problem was when we already had put 2-4 adds already on our original positions and we had to leave a lot of money on table


2. Now second one is a variable strategy with original idea from Rakeshluthra430.

What we can do here is that we use the above mentioned Gap strategy by Saint till we have 1 original position + 1adds, as we can comfortably risk some of profits to get the meat of trend but once we have already put 2 or more adds we should be alert to protect our profits because after running into trend for many days the Gaps usually signify "reversal".


For this Second Gap strategy we can keep a moving filter like we use in Min- flow.

Just an imaginary situation,Suppose we are holding 4 lots long, our SAR at 3000,

now markets open Gap up 3120 and the low of 1st 5 min. bar is 3100,

we put a stop below 3100 - 20,

next bar low 3150, our stops at 3150 -20

Now the stop is hit and I will short 1 lot now.

Now we dont SOH waiting for PL to add to our shorts, we will actually now have a moving filter above the highs of bars where we will actually go long with original 4 lots that we were carrying and put a stoploss below the latest Pivot low that we have got.

Plus we can add to our positions if the Pivot hi was crossed.




But the important thing here is we only use the Second strategy when we have had minimum of 2 ADDS + 1 Original position.The added advantage is that we are not leaving big profits on table and also have the benefit of getting back to our original positions if proved wrong


Will try to explain with charts. Views of the members are most welcome. We need to kill this Monster of Monsterous gaps once and forever

 
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