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Ok,let me go first.Saint,my data is not ok today,some errors but let me put it why I reversed at 3699+7=3706.


Mkt made 4 down bars on 30,and after 12=30 when it started coming up,there was a long tail doji on 60.There was a tiny pivot on 15 already in place and that gave me impression that all time frames are saying the same thing.
Many times,the 15 forms a pivot break and all the moves together give us a 60min reversal candle........other times,we get a candle that looks like a few candles down on the 15 and then a few candles up on the 15,giving us a bottoming tail on the 60.....as in today.That is,the 60 warns of a possible reversal,and then all the others might fall into place.

So,we got a reversal candle on the 60 first......30 and the 15 still bearish.....now we want the 15 and 30 to give us clear cut signs,like probably a higher pivot low,etc......If instead our dreaded V pattern comes along,and triggers off a blast move from that 60min Bottoming Tail,observe stops as always and reverse if hit.....But in this case,the 15 and 30 did pull back,.........looked like making a higher pivot low and then fell flat down......so,it's a Hold on shorts.

Remember,we presume that a trend continues till the end of day unless proven otherwise.........only when all timeframes come together to a point and signal a possible reversal,there is not much to be done except holding the positions.


To reiterate:Today we got ourselves a candle that is more of a pivot on the 5,not a real pivot on the 15.We look at the 30min charts,we got ourselves a 4 bar down move,we have a look at the 15min charts,and we have a pivot and reversal at 3743.

Then,we have one more down move after the Sun Outage.....Stops to 3721 +7=3728 if you follow the 4 bar rule......or stops at 3743 at previous pivot on the 15/20.

We meanwhile have a 60min reversal candle,......we want the 15/30 to tell us something more.....If not we reverse at 3728 as previously planned.

Saint
 
I am not sure about the rule of reversal due to 4 BARS lower lows and reversing above 2 bars , this apart I feel it was an error to consider the 11.30 AM , 15 min. TF candle as SAR!!!
I would not hesitate to add that had the Market turned after your Reversal level, may be we would not have looked the situation so closely and might have missed a lot of inputs from Saint and others....and I consider it as a preparation for trading Bigger lot sizes!!!!
Thanx!!!!
Hi RK,

Yep.....probably everyone would be feeling great if this had gone on to make newer highs today.

But that doesn't make reversing there correct......and we would pay bigtime on another occassion.

As for the 4bar rule,stick to the Pivots,my friend.........just manage the 3 different time frames well,and you will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Saint
 
Also I remember your answer to my querry on 4 th June chart where I could not see the pivot correctly it was a reversal on 15 where we reversed and I that time could not understand that reversal.That time it was not even a pivot on 15 but only 3 bars sideways movement on 15.

All the above weighed heavily on my mind otherwise I normally dont act on 15 min pivots.

I am unable to figureout where I went wrong.

Regards


Smart_trade
Hi Smart Trade,

Once we get that first 4 bars down,we are hunting for pivots on the lower time frames.......on the 4th of June,we got that pivot,and we took it.Today too,we got that pivot at 3743,which did not trigger.

That pivot that everyone got today was never a pivot......maybe on the 5,but hardly noticeable on the 15.

Then we have a reversal bar on the 60......yes,a probable bringing down of stops if all time frames agree.In this case it didn't.....stops remain at 3743.If you believe in trailing the stops to 2 bar back,then,3728.......no changes other than that.

It is very important to go through that June 4th chart again and have a look at the pivot........it happens time and time again,price exhausts itself with one final push and then it has no more in it,.....ran out of fuel.....expect a reversal.

Not sure if I am getting through to the newer folks.......but think you got it.Anything,get back to me.

Saint
 
Dhakkan,

All fine?......Any queries,feel free to ask.

Or we could meet up ...

Saint
 
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dhakkan

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Dhakkan,

All fine......any queries,feel free to ask.

Or we could meet up ...

Saint
Saint,

Thanks a lot for explaining it,... I know we keep on making the same mistakes again and again...:)

Yes, understood ... first should have waited for 60 to give clear signs before moving the stops....
One more reason ..why this mistake happened..(for me only).. that coming after break...feels like already some time has passed time to readjust the stops...:)

I would love to meet you... I am so lucky to have such a great teacher...
Sometime this weekend... if its fine with you...we can discuss this weeks trades.

regards,
Dhakkan
 
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Saint,

Thanks a lot for explaining it,... I know we keep on making the same mistakes again and again...:)

Yes, understood ... first should have waited for 60 to give clear signs before moving the stops....
One more reason ..why this mistake happened..(for me only).. that coming after break...feels like already some time has passed time to readjust the stops...:)

I would love to meet you... I am so lucky to have such a great teacher...
Sometime this weekend... if its fine with you...we can discuss this weeks trades.

regards,
Dhakkan
Lucky you !! It's great to have the possibility of meeting a person like Saint and interacting/ learning from him directly person to person !! Looking forward to similar opportunity for myself also - lets see when it is destined to be !!
 
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Saint,

Thanks a lot for explaining it,... I know we keep on making the same mistakes again and again...:)

Yes, understood ... first should have waited for 60 to give clear signs before moving the stops....
One more reason ..why this mistake happened..(for me only).. that coming after break...feels like already some time has passed time to readjust the stops...:)

I would love to meet you... I am so lucky to have such a great teacher...
Sometime this weekend... if its fine with you...we can discuss this weeks trades.

regards,
Dhakkan
yah pramod ,
ur 1 lucky guy to work at the gr8 exchanges & then living in saints city..
 
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