how much return you expect from commodity market

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Taken a retracement from current high of 75543 made on 25-04-11,
to recent low of 50400 on 12-05-11,
the 38.2% retracement comes near 61694 levels,
that should be a probable target for upmove. Trade cautiously..


thanks for this use full chart,i am holding long at present, i will give stick stop loses once it comes near probable target thanks once again
 
close long in nickel at 1063/60 nickel closing looks week can not take risk to carry
stop loss of to day to be used for tommorow
silver 57008
gold mini22882
copper431.70
DEAR RAVI TRADER/RAJEEV
POSITION OF BASKET AS ON MONDAY
nickel1063.60-1061=2.6x250=650
silver57008-56212=796x5kg=3980
gold22882-22777=105x10=1050
copper 431.7-431.5=.20x1000=200
total profit of basket on monday is 650+3980+1050+200=5880
as except me no bodies data of ASHWANI CHADHA SPREAD SHEET TRADING SYSTEM were complete,so basket positions came down from nine trades required to be open to only three trade actually open even then it gave a profit of 6050/- on monday,you can under stand what would have given full basket
SO BE FAST TO KEEP YOUR DATA READY
I WAS EXPECTING FROM YOU BOTH YOUR DATA WILL BE READY FIRST LIKE LAST WEEK
WHERE ARE YOU BUZY BOTH
THANKS
 
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TraderRavi

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no bsnl broadband problem in my area.......first I hav to read posts from sunday onwards........:(

ok read all post...now will complete my sheet.......
 
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cotton

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for a bull direction is long till he has hope to win
for a bear direction is short till he has hope to win
hope to win will vanish when other parti will win
other parti will be cosidered won for a bull,when bear will win it means will reach in confirmed short trend

till price will be trading in no mans land ,both will assume at last we will win,so bulls will hold long and bears will hold short,till result of war will settle in between them,once it will settle.other parti will leave his position
i think now it should be clear to u
Thanks Ashwani..This part you had explained earlier as well...this i remember...
My question was a bit different but I have figured after reading some of your follow up post...

Thanks
 

cotton

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Ashwani you have always discussed stop loss as a combination of Momentum + Volatility
Volatility stop loss I can understand but Momentum stop loss is something which have been tricking my mind...how can you calculate stop loss using momentum as momentum trading is a refined version of swing trading...if you can give me hint...which direction basically...
 

cotton

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The Chinese Bamboo Tree

Keep Watering Your Bamboo Tree – Eric Aronson

In the Far East, there is a tree called the Chinese bamboo tree. This remarkable tree is different from most trees in that it doesn’t grow in the usual fashion. While most trees grow steadily over a period of years, the Chinese bamboo tree doesn’t break through the ground for the first four years. Then, in the fifth year, an amazing thing happens – the tree begins to grow at an astonishing rate. In fact, in a period of just five weeks, a Chinese bamboo tree can grow to a height of 90 feet. It’s almost as if you can actually see the tree growing before your very eyes.

Well, I’m convinced that life often works in a similar way. You can work for weeks, months and even years on your dream with no visible signs of progress and then, all of the sudden, things take off. Your business becomes profitable beyond your wildest dreams. Your marriage becomes more vibrant and passionate than you ever thought it could be. Your contribution to your church, social organization and community becomes more significant than you have ever imagined.

Yet, all of this requires one thing – faith. The growers of the Chinese bamboo tree have faith that if they keep watering and fertilizing the ground, the tree will break through. Well, you must have the same kind of faith in your bamboo tree, whether it is to run a successful business, win a Pulitzer Prize, raise well-adjusted children, or what have you. You must have faith that if you keep making the calls, honing your craft, reading to your children, reaching out to your spouse or asking for donations, that you too will see rapid growth in the future.

This is the hard part for most of us. We get so excited about the idea that’s been planted inside of us that we simply can’t wait for it to blossom. Therefore, within days or weeks of the initial planting, we become discouraged and begin to second guess ourselves.

Sometimes, in our doubt, we dig up our seed and plant it elsewhere, in hopes that it will quickly rise in more fertile ground. We see this very often in people who change jobs every year or so. We also see it in people who change churches, organizations and even spouses in the pursuit of greener pastures. More often than not, these people are greatly disappointed when their tree doesn’t grow any faster in the new location.

Other times, people will water the ground for a time but then, quickly become discouraged. They start to wonder if it’s worth all of the effort. This is particularly true when they see their neighbors having success with other trees. They start to think, “What am I doing trying to grow a bamboo tree? If I had planted a lemon tree, I’d have a few lemons by now.” These are the people who return to their old jobs and their old ways. They walk away from their dream in exchange for a “sure thing.”

Sadly, what they fail to realize is that pursuing your dream is a sure thing if you just don’t give up. So long as you keep watering and fertilizing your dream, it will come to fruition. It may take weeks. It may take months. It may even take years, but eventually, the roots will take hold and your tree will grow. And when it does, it will grow in remarkable ways.

We’ve seen this happen so many times. Henry Ford had to water his bamboo tree through five business failures before he finally succeeded with the Ford Motor Company. Richard Hooker had to water his bamboo tree for seven years and through 21 rejections by publishers until his humorous war novel, M*A*S*H became a runaway bestseller, spawning a movie and one of the longest-running television series of all-time. Another great bamboo grower was the legendary jockey Eddie Arcaro. Arcaro lost his first 250 races as a jockey before going on to win 17 Triple Crown races and 554 stakes races for total purse earnings of more than $30 million.

Well, you have a bamboo tree inside of you just waiting to break through. So keep watering and believing and you too will be flying high before you know it.
 
Ashwani you have always discussed stop loss as a combination of Momentum + Volatility
Volatility stop loss I can understand but Momentum stop loss is something which have been tricking my mind...how can you calculate stop loss using momentum as momentum trading is a refined version of swing trading...if you can give me hint...which direction basically...
dear cotton, i am veri much happi that this question was asked from u, from a person who started sharing his thoughts at this thread with me at the veri beginning when this forum and this thread and its members were all new to me.
answer to this question will be the back bone of mine book which i have plan to get it publish for that i will take required steps around 2015 after achieving two of mine life time targets,out of three which i planned and i am doing effort that five from whom i expect mine first target of giving 100 fold multiplication to capital will be achieved from all of them.authuncated record of all these six achievement will also be part of mine book.
purpose of this is i am going to prove everi bodi can learn trading with proper dicipline
now let us come to ur question:
when i studied two or three prevailing sistem of stop loss,i felt all were absoluteli perfect
but were based on single line,so if we place them with our broker most of the time after giving triger to ur stop loss,move will go in its previous direction and will prove to be a whispa triger for u and move is still earning but now u are not a part of it
as far as first stop loss line was concerned,this hiddon sistem was available in the mind of hundereds of successfull traders,but problem was ,it was available at inter nett but in parts,so if some bodi deserve it,he can get it from internett using seed to tree strategi but till he will not converte him self from seed to tree,he will never get it from internett.i still spent approx 12 month to chase this sistem of stop loss from internett so first stop loss line of mine indicator is not mine discoveri, but after chasing it with mine knowledge, in mine book i will disclose it for everi bodi wheather he has capibilti to chase it from internett or not(THIS IS THE DETAIL OF VOLITILITI PART OF STOP LOSS INDICATOR WHICH I DEVELOPED FOR MINE BOOK :to be continued for momentum part of mine indicator
 
The Chinese Bamboo Tree

Keep Watering Your Bamboo Tree Eric Aronson

In the Far East, there is a tree called the Chinese bamboo tree. This remarkable tree is different from most trees in that it doesnt grow in the usual fashion. While most trees grow steadily over a period of years, the Chinese bamboo tree doesnt break through the ground for the first four years. Then, in the fifth year, an amazing thing happens the tree begins to grow at an astonishing rate. In fact, in a period of just five weeks, a Chinese bamboo tree can grow to a height of 90 feet. Its almost as if you can actually see the tree growing before your very eyes.

Well, Im convinced that life often works in a similar way. You can work for weeks, months and even years on your dream with no visible signs of progress and then, all of the sudden, things take off. Your business becomes profitable beyond your wildest dreams. Your marriage becomes more vibrant and passionate than you ever thought it could be. Your contribution to your church, social organization and community becomes more significant than you have ever imagined.

Yet, all of this requires one thing faith. The growers of the Chinese bamboo tree have faith that if they keep watering and fertilizing the ground, the tree will break through. Well, you must have the same kind of faith in your bamboo tree, whether it is to run a successful business, win a Pulitzer Prize, raise well-adjusted children, or what have you. You must have faith that if you keep making the calls, honing your craft, reading to your children, reaching out to your spouse or asking for donations, that you too will see rapid growth in the future.

This is the hard part for most of us. We get so excited about the idea thats been planted inside of us that we simply cant wait for it to blossom. Therefore, within days or weeks of the initial planting, we become discouraged and begin to second guess ourselves.

Sometimes, in our doubt, we dig up our seed and plant it elsewhere, in hopes that it will quickly rise in more fertile ground. We see this very often in people who change jobs every year or so. We also see it in people who change churches, organizations and even spouses in the pursuit of greener pastures. More often than not, these people are greatly disappointed when their tree doesnt grow any faster in the new location.

Other times, people will water the ground for a time but then, quickly become discouraged. They start to wonder if its worth all of the effort. This is particularly true when they see their neighbors having success with other trees. They start to think, What am I doing trying to grow a bamboo tree? If I had planted a lemon tree, Id have a few lemons by now. These are the people who return to their old jobs and their old ways. They walk away from their dream in exchange for a sure thing.

Sadly, what they fail to realize is that pursuing your dream is a sure thing if you just dont give up. So long as you keep watering and fertilizing your dream, it will come to fruition. It may take weeks. It may take months. It may even take years, but eventually, the roots will take hold and your tree will grow. And when it does, it will grow in remarkable ways.

Weve seen this happen so many times. Henry Ford had to water his bamboo tree through five business failures before he finally succeeded with the Ford Motor Company. Richard Hooker had to water his bamboo tree for seven years and through 21 rejections by publishers until his humorous war novel, M*A*S*H became a runaway bestseller, spawning a movie and one of the longest-running television series of all-time. Another great bamboo grower was the legendary jockey Eddie Arcaro. Arcaro lost his first 250 races as a jockey before going on to win 17 Triple Crown races and 554 stakes races for total purse earnings of more than $30 million.

Well, you have a bamboo tree inside of you just waiting to break through. So keep watering and believing and you too will be flying high before you know it.
dear cotton thanks for sending one of the so much inspireing post at the thread
 
DEAR RAVI TRADER/RAJEEV
POSITION OF BASKET AS ON MONDAY
nickel1063.60-1061=2.6x250=800 (650)
silver57008-56212=796x5kg=3980
gold22882-22777=105x10=1050
copper 431.7-431.5=.20x1000=200
total profit of basket on monday is 800+3980+1050+200=6050 (should be 6030)
as except me no bodies data of ASHWANI CHADHA SPREAD SHEET TRADING SYSTEM were complete,so basket positions came down from nine trades required to be open to only three trade actually open even then it gave a profit of 6050/- on monday,you can under stand what would have given full basket
SO BE FAST TO KEEP YOUR DATA READY
I WAS EXPECTING FROM YOU BOTH YOUR DATA WILL BE READY FIRST LIKE LAST WEEK
WHERE ARE YOU BUZY BOTH
THANKS
"Chota muuh badi baat" Ashwani sir but couple of the above calculations are wrong (Nickel and the total profit).I have highlighted in red the correct one.The total profit of basket for monday is coming to 650+3980+1050+200=5880 . Please check if this is fine.

Also please provide the stoploss for today as well as for tomorrow (Excel sheet is up to date till monday).

Thanks.
 
"Chota muuh badi baat" Ashwani sir but couple of the above calculations are wrong (Nickel and the total profit).I have highlighted in red the correct one.The total profit of basket for monday is coming to 650+3980+1050+200=5880 . Please check if this is fine.

Also please provide the stoploss for today as well as for tomorrow (Excel sheet is up to date till monday).

Thanks.
dear vishumahagan ,mine calculation is wrong,i did it in the night it self so that no one feels trouble to da,thanks for rectification.toda stop loss will come after close of bar after 11.30 i will provide at once thanks
 
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