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Ashwani for 4 hr time period SL should be 3.2 * 4hr atr??
for four hour time frame 3 atr is sufficient 3 ATR BELOW, FROM CLOSING PRICE OF PREVIOUS DAE AND U SHOULD BE A POSTION TRADER ALSO, IT MEANS ONCE THE TRADE WHICH U HAVE TAKEN ,ONCE IT IS IN MOMENTUM,U WILL CONTINUSELI CARRI IT FOR NEXT DAE,TILL EITHER UR STOP LOSS IS TRIGERED OR TRADE IS TECHNICALLI CLOSED AS PER EXIT SISTEM WHICH U ARE FOLLOWING,IF U WILL CLOSE THE TRADE IN BETWEEN AT UR OWN DISCERTION,THEN RISK REWARD WILL BE IN POPORTIONATE:IT MEANS U HAVE TAKEN FULL RISK BUT WHILE TAKING REWARD,U HAVE LEFT HALF REWARD AT UR OWN DISCERTION:EXTREMELI WRONG POLICI THANKS
 
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Thanks Ashwani..I did not enter yesterday long as I saw short at 4 hr...Stop loss today will calculate..
dear cotton,as promissed i am giving the trend and stop loses of five mini lots in which i am trading at present for fri
DETAIL TREND STOP LOSS
ZINK LONG 109/40
ALUMI LONG 115/10
LEAD SHORT 120/70
GOLD SHORT 22213
SILVER SHORT 60162
THESE ARE AS PER MINE SPECIFIC TRADING TECHNIQUE
U CAN SUBMIT PIVOT L1 AND R1 LEVAL FOR THE STANDARD PIVOT TECHNIQUE USED WORLDWIDE,SO THAT I CAN GIVE U COMPARISON OF THE BOTH AND CAN GUIDE U, HOW U CAN GET THE BEST USE OF THAT PERFECT TECHNIQUE OF CALCULATING STOP LOSES( i hope it will serve ur purpose) THANKS
 

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dear cotton,as promissed i am giving the trend and stop loses of five mini lots in which i am trading at present for fri
DETAIL TREND STOP LOSS
ZINK LONG 109/40
ALUMI LONG 115/10
LEAD SHORT 120/70
GOLD SHORT 22213
SILVER SHORT 60162
THESE ARE AS PER MINE SPECIFIC TRADING TECHNIQUE
U CAN SUBMIT PIVOT L1 AND R1 LEVAL FOR THE STANDARD PIVOT TECHNIQUE USED WORLDWIDE,SO THAT I CAN GIVE U COMPARISON OF THE BOTH AND CAN GUIDE U, HOW U CAN GET THE BEST USE OF THAT PERFECT TECHNIQUE OF CALCULATING STOP LOSES( i hope it will serve ur purpose) THANKS
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dear cotton,as promissed i am giving the trend and stop loses of five mini lots in which i am trading at present for fri
DETAIL TREND STOP LOSS
ZINK LONG 109/40 v/s109/18
ALUMI LONG 115/10 114/95
LEAD SHORT 120/70 v/s 119/40
GOLD SHORT 23213 v/s23230
SILVER SHORT 60162
THESE ARE AS PER MINE SPECIFIC TRADING TECHNIQUE
U CAN SUBMIT PIVOT L1 AND R1 LEVAL FOR THE STANDARD PIVOT TECHNIQUE USED WORLDWIDE,SO THAT I CAN GIVE U COMPARISON OF THE BOTH AND CAN GUIDE U, HOW U CAN GET THE BEST USE OF THAT PERFECT TECHNIQUE OF CALCULATING STOP LOSES( i hope it will serve ur purpose) THANKS
u can compare,difference is nominal,two seprate successfull sistems can not be zero zero,both will work with discipline,here diff is so minute ur sistem will work perfectli,go a head,
HOW TO USE ,IF MARKET OPEN GAP UP SO ABOVE PIVOT,WAIT, LET THE PRICE COME CLOSE TO PIVOT,WHEN COMES ,TRADE,GIVE SI AS STOP LOSS,IF MOVE SUSTAIN ,NEXT DAE UR STOP LOSS WILL BE NEW SI,TILL IT DONT TRIGER,ONCE MOVE IS IN MOMENTUM,SAME STOP LOSS BUT NOW EOD BAR CLOSING BELOW SISTEM WILL WORK
 
u can compare,difference is nominal,two seprate successfull sistems can not be zero zero,both will work with discipline,here diff is so minute ur sistem will work perfectli,go a head,
HOW TO USE ,IF MARKET OPEN GAP UP SO ABOVE PIVOT,WAIT, LET THE PRICE COME CLOSE TO PIVOT,WHEN COMES ,TRADE,GIVE SI AS STOP LOSS,IF MOVE SUSTAIN ,NEXT DAE UR STOP LOSS WILL BE NEW SI,TILL IT DONT TRIGER,ONCE MOVE IS IN MOMENTUM,SAME STOP LOSS BUT NOW EOD BAR CLOSING BELOW SISTEM WILL WORK
dear cotton,now as u are planning to trade on EOD basis,so i would again like to tell u that real capital can be build up on EOD TRADING but u should never forget when trading on eod basis,u are allowed to take help of lower time frame for opening ur position either long or short,but when the question of closing the trade will come u are not allowed to take help of lower time frame,
so for eod position ur exit from trade will be from eod time frame .
so for eod exit u can not take the help of even four hour or nine hour time frame also
when u are doing eod trading and suppose holding long in copper.and at the same time four hour trader will be building short,so as a result price will fall at that time u will not participate in trading and will still open ur long
BECAUSE WHICH IS A MAIN MOVE FOR FOUR HOUR TRADER
IT IS A CORRECTION FOR EOD TRADER AND EOD TRADER NEVER PARTICIPATE
IN CORRECTION
U ARE A EOD TRADER NOW !!!!!!!!!
 


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Cotton or Ashwani. I was wondering if one of you could answer a question for me. As you can see by my posted chart, my rates are a far cry from your posted rates. Similarly, that is the case on the rest of the metals, but is somewhat close with the Natural Gas. I already posted my views in my blog and was thinking of doing so in my thread. Why are we so far apart on the price?
Thanks in advance for your help!

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cotton

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dear cotton,now as u are planning to trade on EOD basis,so i would again like to tell u that real capital can be build up on EOD TRADING but u should never forget when trading on eod basis,u are allowed to take help of lower time frame for opening ur position either long or short,but when the question of closing the trade will come u are not allowed to take help of lower time frame,
so for eod position ur exit from trade will be from eod time frame .
so for eod exit u can not take the help of even four hour or nine hour time frame also
when u are doing eod trading and suppose holding long in copper.and at the same time four hour trader will be building short,so as a result price will fall at that time u will not participate in trading and will still open ur long
BECAUSE WHICH IS A MAIN MOVE FOR FOUR HOUR TRADER
IT IS A CORRECTION FOR EOD TRADER AND EOD TRADER NEVER PARTICIPATE
IN CORRECTION
U ARE A EOD TRADER NOW !!!!!!!!!
Thanks Ashwani... got a fair bit of EOD trader and i have done some analysis in last 1 week using past moves and what you have said here is quite correct...at eod we need to hold moves...and even if the move does not hold and stop loss is hit..it will be very minimum loss...
My strategy will be now...
1) Get in the move start...
2) calculate the stop loss using the standard Pivot and using the atr method..
3) hold the position till the SL is not hit...
4) immediately using SAR method open the next move...

Let me know if i need to make any change in the stategy...
 
Thanks Ashwani... got a fair bit of EOD trader and i have done some analysis in last 1 week using past moves and what you have said here is quite correct...at eod we need to hold moves...and even if the move does not hold and stop loss is hit..it will be very minimum loss...
My strategy will be now...
1) Get in the move start...(100 % perfect-open ur trade from the beginning of the trade !!!)
2) calculate the stop loss using the standard Pivot and using the atr method.(enter in trade from standard pivot -perfect !!!!)
3) hold the position till the SL is not hit...(100 % perfect !!!!-it is main point of the game)
4) immediately using SAR method open the next move...(till u are not expert never open second trade in same commoditi,u will be caught-i will teach u m.m.technique for adding furthur positions at a later stage
5)standard s/r technique/ATR/S AND R-THESE ARE THREE DIFFERENT STOP LOSS TECHNIQUE-u can use one off them at a time,can not mix all the three)
Let me know if i need to make any change in the stategy...
i have modified where required
 


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Cotton or Ashwani. I was wondering if one of you could answer a question for me. As you can see by my posted chart, my rates are a far cry from your posted rates. Similarly, that is the case on the rest of the metals, but is somewhat close with the Natural Gas. I already posted my views in my blog and was thinking of doing so in my thread. Why are we so far apart on the price?
Thanks in advance for your help!
dear paul,i am thankfull to u for ur above mentioned post.dear cotton is a keen learner and he is having thrust for learning,so i am doing my
leval best to teach him and few other friends and regular learners of this thread,some basic principal of trading.
after quite long time he will be in position to give perfect answer to a learned person like u
u have access to indian charts also, as u are giving ur views on nifty also.
i can give comment if either chart is provided in indian currency or if u give ur support/resistance r1 r2 r3 s1 s2 s3 and pivot of commodities in any particular date but in indian Rs mentioning which month CONTRACT data u provided even if u dont give charts in indian Rs it will work
i was not able to co-relate this chart with any commodity in indian RS ,so was unable to comment
as a learned trader u are using the best possible technique available in the world,using various trend lines also over and above various supports and resistance
in knowledge i might be one step behind u(in technicals)
so i have taken advantage of ur knowledge to modify my mechnical trading system
with the more knowledge,i gained as a T.A.i used it to make mine mts more simple
at present in mine MTS i use three lines ONE SUPPORT LINE ----TWO RESISTANCE LINE----THREE PIVOT LINE -if move was left ,so to enter in between the trade i use pivot other wise not
i use only two indicators ONE RSI TWO STOCH
i dont use these indicators for decision of trade but to know ,at which stage the move is
my all trading decisions are based on support/resistance/pivot(and no other information i use)
and still it is one of the most popular technique of trading(un disclosed technique whose all information is available in the mind of seniors and one has to catch it with his own knowledge if it is enough to catch it)
i will be obliged if these informations are of some use to u and if u can accomdate to provide data in indian Rs ,i will be in a position to give accurate answer and will be obliged to give answer thanks once again for the post
note;i gave live demo of my mechnical trading system moves, at this thred, in all the nine commodities for a month, and capital was doubled in a month,all the informations of that demo are available at this thread,if that can be of some use ,u can go through it(ur furthur comments at mine demo will increase mine knowledge)
 
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dear paul,i am thankfull to u for ur above mentioned post.dear cotton is a keen learner and he is having thrust for learning,so i am doing mine leval best to teach him and few other friend and regular learners of this thread,some basic principal of trading......
Dear Ashwani,

i am trying to apply concepts of market dynamics (long/short etc.) as explained by you in this thread. here is a summary of the MTS that i propose:

have defined daily support & resistance levels
[ii] we are long when the trend is "confirmed long"
[iii] we are short when the trend is "confirmed short"
[iv] we are long when trend changes from "confirmed short" to long.
[v] we are short when trend changes from "confirmed long" to short.
[vi] in this way we are always in the market.

the above appears to be better than moving average.

Kindly give your advice.

regards

Rajeev

PS: my sharekhan account has also come. before jumping in, i want to define a MTS based on eod. then as suggested by you, i will post my entries/exist to compare with yours and try to improve them.
 
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