If GOD appears in front and ask me "what do u want"?

#61
I could say much more, but I'll stop.
Many of the quotes (from whatever source u had, bcos there are so many versions of Bible) may sound little more than crazy to the neo world.

I used to attend Meditation classes and in one of the sessions, there was a crap guy who usually cling on to the mic to lecture us with full of useless views...once he said, that once after bath we all shud wipe the water in back of our chest first. The reason he gave for this is that bad omen attaches in our back and we shud wipe that out first. I was abt to vomit after hearing that.

Believe me that there are so many non-sense, in the name of religion out there.
There are extremist views out of the same religion which killed millions of jews. There are so many killings happening even now in the name religion.

I read somewhere that there are 60% of non-believers from ur country (i guess US). What do u think the reason for this number to grow and ever growing...is it bcos of outdated views scriptures, which wud never ever apply to the neo world?

Last but not the least...are there any GOD for animals? Why do u think that we alone humans who have created this?
 
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4xpipcounter

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Many of the quotes (from whatever source u had, bcos there are so many versions of Bible) may sound little more than crazy to the neo world.

NTM, the Bible even has an answer to that. I Cor 14:33, "For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
The one thing we are assured of is that the 100's of versions are confusion. God did not author all those versions. This was also why I respectfully pointed out when Pride made the quote that contained the word "prostituting", and the fact it is not in the Bible. At that time, I was only be subtle about the confusion that is produced by man, and why it is the ones that have chosen the atheistic view have made God, his Word, and the things of God a laughingstock.
After saying all that, let me get back to the original point. Every version that has come out since the original King James version has watered down the original content of the Bible. The King James Version is what produces holy living. Rev 22:18,19-- "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book." Within the context of what we are talking about, any violation of that is a crime (spiritually speaking), because once again, it only adds confusion to God and his Word, and then you have all the God debates on the internet.
Let me give you an example of the above. I John 3:9-- "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.:
All you have to do is read that and know what it is saying. The nominal religious world will scream that is your interpretation. They will get out their versions to try and dissuade what the Word of God clearly teaches.
This brings me to another point. There is so much confusion authored by the religious minds in the religious world, because they want to feel good about doing things their way. Basically, all someone needs is support for their evidence, whether true or false, and that is all they need to feel good about what they are doing. These cults, and Pride mentioned many of them in those quotes, specialize in making people feel good, regardless of what they teach or live, and this is why that even though I totally disagree with the atheistic mode of thinking, the one that said religion is the greatest evil in the world is so right.
God still is able to appeal to the conscience of man to show man he has the perfect way and the perfect solution for all of mankind's problems. Jesus said in Matt 11:28-- "My yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light." In other words, it is the best life, the most peaceful life. It's a wonderful life! It is also beyond all this confusion. That's what God can do.


I used to attend Meditation classes and in one of the sessions, there was a crap guy who usually cling on to the mic to lecture us with full of useless views...once he said, that once after bath we all shud wipe the water in back of our chest first. The reason he gave for this is that bad omen attaches in our back and we shud wipe that out first. I was abt to vomit after hearing that.

[B]You got to love this, but the Bible even has an answer for that: Mark 7:7-10-- "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
One of the things I mentioned earlier was the principles the Word of God teaches. What you just described (I know it already made you vomit, so your answer is going to be easy.), how is that going to help you live right? What principle is there.
These vain traditions are very common in the secular religious world even here in the USA. Catholics have the ritual of confessing sins to the priest, praying to Mary, abstaining from meet on Fridays, praying people out of purgatory. The Protestants have rituals like baptizing babies, man made methods of joining their church, some use a jibber jabber they call tongues, and say they are talking to God. They have all have false methods of raising cash for the institutions like spaghetti feeds, ice cream socials, yard sales, and bingo parties. This is because they refuse to teach the Bible method of tithing. Those things are not wrong of itself, but it is an evil thing to use to fund their organizations, when God already teaches the proper method in his Word.
I could also go on and on with these examples. That coincides with the example you gave. II Tim 3:5 says, "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." I am very convinced that this is still what many people are searching for today. They don't want some inundated form in their lives. They want real power in their lives. They want power to live godly. They want a solution for life's problems. By the very conversation we are having, they sure don't want or need religion in their lives. I promise you God has those answers. Not gods, but the one and only living God as mentioned in Heb 9:14, "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"[/ B]


Believe me that there are so many non-sense, in the name of religion out there.
There are extremist views out of the same religion which killed millions of jews. There are so many killings happening even now in the name religion.

Exactly! This is why the only safe way is, "Let God be true, but every man a liar"-- Rom 3:4. All God requires and gives the grace for is to live holy. He's clear, and shows us exactly how to do it. Anything other than that is extreme views that develop in many of the fanatical views, or goes the other way in compromise and permissiveness; therefore, that develops so many doctrines, viewpoints, versions of the Bible, devisiveness, chaos, and everyone is claiming they are doing the work of God.
Another thing that is certain is that it is not the atheists fault that God is run through the ground. I think we can tell where the fault comes in at. It is by the myriad of people who claim to believe in God. This is also why even the Bible says, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble"--James 2:19. In other words if their profession is not back up by holy living they are no better than the devil. Yes, this is another reason all these religions are corrupt and is a great evil.


I read somewhere that there are 60% of non-believers from ur country (i guess US). What do u think the reason for this number to grow and ever growing...is it bcos of outdated views scriptures, which wud never ever apply to the neo world?

This depends on how you look at it with regards to that percentage. Go back to the scripture just quoted, and it shows there is no virtue in just believing in God. The last statistics I saw was that 86% believe in God to some degree, but claim they are okay in the eyes of God.
The number is diminishing of people who attend a church somewhere on a regular basis. There is also an increasing anti-God sentiment, even among those that believe in God. They want to wipe God our of the entire consciousness of our society.
Part of that is the reason I described. Most atheists develop their mindset because of a bad religious experience in their lives. All these false and corrupt religions that claim to be Christian and otherwise are the number one cause in developing atheists.
At least here in the USA, there is also so much to keep a person busy that takes their mind off their real need which is God. People are running and going to excesses in looking for happiness and peace, when the real and only answer is God.
I'll give you a personal experience of mine. I'm 55 years. I was 17 years old when I was thinking about forsaking all the "god-nonsense" and taking up with the atheists. My parents raised me to be religious and go to church everyday. I heard all the stuff that God does not care how we believe, and all churches are okay, etc. Yet, I also noticed these religious people not being any better than my atheist friends at the time. They both were out doing their sinful things on Saturday night. The only difference is the atheist stayed home on Sunday morning recouping from a hard night, and my religious friends went to church with their piety. I had to ask myself, "What is the greatest evil?"
I was glad that I had a foundational belief in the Bible and the principles espoused. Later I found what God's church is. It is his people, not a building, that live free from sin. They are a people that are not two-faced. They have peace, joy, and happiness. Just to cut to the chase (at least for now), I did as the Bible instructed, and that was confessed and repented of my sins and God saved me. He gives me the power to live out the Word of God in my everyday living, which includes in the 4 walls of my home. That sure is much better than the religious hypocrisy, forms, and traditions that every reader knows about.


Last but not the least...are there any GOD for animals? Why do u think that we alone humans who have created this?
Because Gen 2:7 says, "And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." God made man a living soul, not animals. Humans did not create this but humans created the concept that some how animals have a soul. This was also in the mind of God from the beginning.
 
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Sorry to argue with you but humans are the most soulless creatures ever to be found,

No animal kills for fun, we human call it a sport :mad:


We kill in the name of fashion, we kill just with out reason.

Ok i agree with you that you don't drink or commit one the other Sin

Will you Please answer one simple "how many times have you had a meal which is derived from a living source which once walked or swam in the face of this world and left the meal unfinished (din't like the taste or was too full to have more etc) that poor creature had given its life to feed you :mad:

(the above question is assuming that you have are a non-vegetarian)

I am not trying to force any PETA ideas on, only trying to understand the human superiority view of the world.

So if animals do not have souls the don't feel pain they don't feel love.

In my opinion all the pain in this world comes from the fact that we human think that we are superior
let this superiority come from being humans.
let this superiority come from belonging to specific religion ( i mean any religion not any particular religion) .
Let this superiority come from gender.
let this superiority come from Race.
let this superiority come from being a citizen of a country ( i don't mean any particular country)

Human beings are the only animals of which I am thoroughly and cravenly afraid. George Bernard Shaw



let this superiority come from knowledge , money , power or lack of these.

We may have been created I am not sure on that yet ( my rock question still stands day i get answer to that question it you solve everything).

But if we created, we were created as custodians of these world but we plunder and strip(used euphemistically for four letter word that starts with R) this world as kings and rulers only because we have souls.

that gives us licence to kill.

And if there is a god it belongs to all the non - humans (except humans)
 
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4xpip

What i wanted from u is clear answers and not quotes...

think out loudly, taking the bible far far away from u, afterall every other bible was written only by men. So in all ur answers, only those men stands and i never see 4xpip

So, love to hear from u soon, as a person living in this 21st century, and not from someone lived 2000 yrs ago
 

4xpipcounter

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#65
Sorry to argue with you but humans are the most soulless creatures ever to be found,

Silverm, no need to be sorry. I can tell you that without God and without the knowledge of God as the reality of working alive and well in your life, I understand the conclusions you come to.
I will still stick to God's Word, because I don't like confusion in my life. As I already quoted, he made man a living soul.
Another thing is the conscience man has. Man has overridden his conscience, which is why he does many of the things he does. Rom 1:28-- "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient."
That is why man will go to the length of sin that he does. He gets to the point that his mind becomes reprobate. This is why I know that many people who claim to be atheist are not convinced of that belief, because the deeds in their lives are not completely reprobate. OTOH, we know of many religious people whose deeds are proven to be reprobate, as per some of the discussions we already had. What's worse! Yep! They claim to be doing the will of God while doing their deeds.


No animal kills for fun, we human call it a sport :mad:


We kill in the name of fashion, we kill just with out reason.

Ok i agree with you that you don't drink or commit one the other Sin

That is only because of God. There are many people who can do good deeds, but there is only one that can give the power to live free from sin, which is a holy life.

Will you Please answer one simple "how many times have you had a meal which is derived from a living source which once walked or swam in the face of this world and left the meal unfinished (din't like the taste or was too full to have more etc) that poor creature had given its life to feed you :mad:

Many times. I love steak, pork sausage, and every other kind of meat.
I cut in on a though with these 2 verses, but it is talking about many false doctrines, then mentions what we do with meat. A very prominent religion that teaches the false doctrine of forbidding to marry are the Catholics.
"Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.-- I Tim 4:3,4.


(the above question is assuming that you have are a non-vegetarian)
I am not trying to force any PETA ideas on, only trying to understand the human superiority view of the world.

You assumed right. That scripture is not implying that there is anything wrong with being a vegetarian. It still plainly teaches us that God gave us cows, pigs, fish, chickens, and all other animals for a reason.
LOL, don't get any ideas. Tucker (in the pic) is not going to be on my barbecue grill tonight.


The Bible has the answer for that too, Gen 1:26-- "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." That word, "dominion" implies the superiority that we have over all other living creatures.

So if animals do not have souls the don't feel pain they don't feel love.

Tucker and I are close. He definitely feels a closeness and love from me more than he does with any other human. He also has felt pain on his rear end when I had to spank it for running in the road. All this being the case, it still does not mean he has a soul. God made nothing eternal about him, but the soul is.


In my opinion all the pain in this world comes from the fact that we human think that we are superior
let this superiority come from being humans.
let this superiority come from belonging to specific religion ( i mean any religion not any particular religion) .
Let this superiority come from gender.
let this superiority come from Race.
let this superiority come from being a citizen of a country ( i don't mean any particular country)

And the humans that think that they are superior based on any of the above criteria is wrong, and we know that. I quoted this before, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus"-- Gal 3:28. We could also add rich or poor, doctor or potty cleaner, doctorate degree or 2nd grade education. There is absolutely no difference in the eyes of God.
You have described the way humans view things and not the way God constructed them to think and to do. This is why we were all created to serve him. If the entire world was doing that, then there would be perfect harmony in the world.
Let me let you in on a little secret. I can go on about this later, but all that live right and according to what God has for there lives will all been in that world of perfect harmony, because they will be in Heaven. This is where the idea of all of us living in harmony is mixed up. Many people want to see it in this world. It is impossible in this world. That's why if we live right in this world, we'll have Heaven to go to in eternity.



Human beings are the only animals of which I am thoroughly and cravenly afraid. George Bernard Shaw
So true, except humans are not animals. The human race has gone to the extreme they have because of being reprobate against. Even though George Shaw did not know what he was doing, he was proving the Bible and God to be true. After all, if people are right in their heart with God, they will not be killing, lying, cheating, lusting, smoking, drinking, hating. As a matter a fact, their thoughts won't even be that of hatred for anyone. If a person is right with God, they will want to do good to everyone, even their enemies. There will be perfect harmony between husbands and wives.
This is why to deny who God really is is folly. God has nothing but good for our lives.




let this superiority come from knowledge , money , power or lack of these.

I don't know how this will sound, but I come from a family of college professors and millionaires. I'm only saying that to say there is no superiority in any of that. King Solomon mentioned many times how vain all that is. It's vain because there is no everlasting happiness in it, and because we will not take it into eternity with us.

We may have been created I am not sure on that yet ( my rock question still stands day i get answer to that question it you solve everything).

I'm not sure what your question is. It is evident we were created because of our presence.

But if we created, we were created as custodians of these world but we plunder and strip(used euphemistically for four letter word that starts with R) this world as kings and rulers only because we have souls.

That is where we should be true custodians of, and that is our soul, then all the problems we are discussing would not be happening

that gives us licence to kill.

Absolutely not!

And if there is a god it belongs to all the non - humans (except humans)

Just keep in mind the fact that when humans kill and hate each other, it comes from going against the known principles of God. It is the individual's fault that they get to the deplorable plight they are in. They kept going against the conscience gave them, and that is why the world is in the shape it is in. God is not to blame for that.
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4xpipcounter

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#66
NTM, true and right moral principles never change. What's wrong with not killing, stealing, adultery, hatred?
Because of God, that is why I have a clear conscience. That is why I have peace and joy and happiness. The miracle of God comes from complete deliverance from all sin. Again, that is what today's religious world will not teach, but that is the power of God.
In following him, I know there will always be divine direction in my life, and that I will never have to go back to the life he delivered me from.
Again to answer the title of your thread, "God does not only appear in front, he is front. I just want to follow and to have the grace that is needed to follow."

This site was originated for traders. I want to continue being an excellent forecaster and trader, but that is all secondary in my life. If I can't be right with God, then all I ever done in life is vain.


4xpip

What i wanted from u is clear answers and not quotes...

think out loudly, taking the bible far far away from u, afterall every other bible was written only by men. So in all ur answers, only those men stands and i never see 4xpip

So, love to hear from u soon, as a person living in this 21st century, and not from someone lived 2000 yrs ago
 

EagleOne

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#67
Phew!!! I have always known that nothing wakes up an Indian but talk about God! And, today, I stand proved! :)

Anyway, nobody officially offered me to sit in judgement what you guys have been talking about, so I - being a very generous person - take this sh!tty job with your silent compliments! :lol:

There were many a post to go through, but I chose the following to put in the dock.

(Beware. It is all in the lighter mood. Don't take seriously, the way we Indians are inclined to do.)


Don't involve God into next days intraday chart.....those things we can handle ourselves even if we do not know how exactly market is going to behave next day....dont make God a day trader.... He has much better things to do for mankind......

Smart_trade
A prudent, cool gentleman who knows his place in the Vast Scheme of the Things. And accepts it with humility. Salute, ST!

Well one can ask God to change the Earth to Heaven
and
I think we would not need to trade,
politicians not need to loot,
theives not need to steal,
even priests would be relieved et al ..

a total solution to a permanent problem

SM...my razor sharp Bengali friend. Witty, like always.


All birds find shelter during the rain but Eagle avoids rain by flying above the clouds problem are common but its attitude that makes the difference
Thank you for showering praises on me, PT! :rofl:I duly deserve them, of course! :cool: But coming from you? Makes it doubly pleasurable!

Invest with me... give me a million and I'll make us both a billion.

You give me a million, Ravi, and I will make sure a Supari gets issued in your name by the Chota Rajan gang the next day!


i will give 2 option to god to choose whch ever he want

1:End this Human Race.......Create new World
2:Just take intelligence form our brains(transfer us to 1 million years back)
1. If God did that, you, being a human, won't be able to enjoy the New World! However, if you personally don't like being a human, PM me. I will tell you how to 'End' yourself in a very humane way! :p

2. 1 million years ago, there was no such thing as humans. Suggest you read something on Planetology, Evolution etc.. If you are a normal 'Saas-bahu-watching' kind of Indian, then NatGeo or Discovery may help you.


Simply will lock him/her.

What is the need to ask if he/she him/her self is under my custody.
If 'Her', why custody? I would have 'under' me if were you! ;)

I'll ask for a fully paid family tour of the Universe.
On paper, it takes four-and-half light years to reach the nearst star system, Alpha Centauri. With our our present - even in the near future - max speed will take centuries to reach there. And you are talking of travelling the Universe, spanning trillions of light years? That, too, with the family? Get a life. If that is too much for you, get to the nearest mental institution! :lol:

.....I will ask HIM to give brains to politicians....
If they had brains, would they be politicians? They would be Options' traders, Columbus! :)
Many of the quotes (from whatever source u had, bcos there are so many versions of Bible) may sound little more than crazy to the neo world.

I used to attend Meditation classes and in one of the sessions, there was a crap guy who usually cling on to the mic to lecture us with full of useless views...once he said, that once after bath we all shud wipe the water in back of our chest first. The reason he gave for this is that bad omen attaches in our back and we shud wipe that out first. I was abt to vomit after hearing that.

Believe me that there are so many non-sense, in the name of religion out there.
There are extremist views out of the same religion which killed millions of jews. There are so many killings happening even now in the name religion.

I read somewhere that there are 60% of non-believers from ur country (i guess US). What do u think the reason for this number to grow and ever growing...is it bcos of outdated views scriptures, which wud never ever apply to the neo world?

Last but not the least...are there any GOD for animals? Why do u think that we alone humans who have created this?
I like your spirit, New-to-markets! Keep it up, it will set you free! Oh, by the way, get rid of this bad Indian habit of putting 'the' before 'least' when you use this specific phrase. The proper way is: Last but not least. Not your fault, it is the bloody Indlish, not English, they teach us in the schools.


As far the tussle between my two good, intelligent friends, Pride and Pips, is concerned. Well, they are wrestling in the quicksand. I don't want to be anywhere near it! :D

You take care, guys. Don't mind my teasings. Happy to know my fellow TJ members' thoughts. GOD :rofl:BLESS ALL OF YOU!!!


PS: PLEASE, PLEASE! DON'T QUOTE THIS POST. JUST ENJOY (OR FUME) READING IT, AND MOVE ON!!!

 

IAtma

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#68
god kaa to pataa nahi.....:D

devil jarur nazar aa rahaa hai........:rofl::rofl:;)

............and the discussion continue...:cool:
 

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