Intraday Microflow Method

ARMHM

Active Member
#11
Actually this method is not dependent on any time frame. We shift the SAR as nifty makes new high compared to our position for longs (vice versa for shorts) and reverse when the SAR is hit.

My friend, close all your charting software and just notice the progress of Nifty. Ofcourse charting software can help us to get recent high after we are into the trade instead of constantly observing nifty on ODIN.
Hmmm. Seems interesting. Need extensive backtesting though. Only danger is in a whipsaw day when one gets stopped out quite often. Otherwise OK.
If MM permits one can double the quantity if stopped out once. Disciplinary action should be to quit trading for the day if stopped out twice and come afresh on next trading session. No matter if it happens in 30 min. or 5 hours unless one is a gambler to the bone marrow.
 

ARMHM

Active Member
#12
Nice Innovation , All trading systems are result of innovation like this only , can u post back testing of last week

And if possible can u share logic of 37 points , Why u chosen 37 , is it just an observation or some thing else
37 is very close to fluctuation of high low of nifty spot during last 6 months divided by no. of trading sessions. Well that is purely my understanding and I have no idea how debdeep derived this number.
 
#14
Friends,
Inspired by Nadodavs Nifty Future Mechanical Trading, Saints 60 min flow and miniflow trading one more trading technique has come into my mind which I named Intraday Micro Flow Trading Method.
Here I am going to present the core concept.

We will start our trading exactly how we start trade in Saints Mini Flow. But once we are in trade we will shift our SAR as the trade goes in our direction.

I guess this will be good if I can explain it with example. It goes like this, suppose the first 5 min bar high is 2500 and low 2450. We noted the high and low.
High = 2500 so Long above 2500+14=2514
Low = 2450 so Short below 2450-14=2436

Now suppose we get the trade at 2514 (Long), from here on we will not consider miniflow methods rather switch to microflow method with SAR at 2514-37=2477. The main advantage of this method is of its simplicity without considering pivots, false breakout and all. Let me illustrate it how it goes. As the trade progresses in our direction and nifty moved to 2520 we move the SAR at 2520-37=2483 from initial 2477. So from now onwards we will move the SAR as nifty hits the high. Again nifty cools a bit and hit 2540 we shift the SAR to 2540-37=2503. So as the trade progresses and Nifty hits now high we shift the SAR by 37 points. Now what if we hit the SAR. Simple we reverse to Short. And add 37 points to our entry and make it as new SAR. Suppose it hit the SAR at 2530 after making high of 2567. We reverse to short at 2530 and keep 2567 as new SAR. Again say nifty goes down to 2520 then starts climbing. So when Nifty makes 2520 we move the SAR to 2520+37=2557.

Well, enough explanation, I guess. The trade moves in this way.

The Advantages:

1) Its damn simple. No confusion regarding pivots and false breakout et al.
2) Loses are minimum in a single trade.
3) We are into the flow quite early.
4) Doesnt increase our BP seeing quite high SAR. SAR is always within 37 points. So loss is max 37 points in a trade.

The Disadvantages:

1) Number of trades increases.
2) Need to monitor Nifty for new high or low quite often.

Result:

I did back test on this for the current week and found good for days where the nifty range is more than 50-60 points but performs worst in this or around this range. But still I am in the process of evaluating the performance of this method and will post as I will do the back test or trade in this method. Infact today I traded using this method and was in profit.

Here is the Todays Trades.

Trade1: Long at 2631 Stopped and reverse at 2635. Profit: 4 nifty points.
Trade2: Short at 2635 stopped and reverse at 2577. Profit: 58 nifty points.
Trade3: Long at 2577, profit booked at 2642. Profit: 65 nifty points.

Total profit: 127 points.

Great Profit for day trading. But we are not always so fortunate. Like on 20th Nov. we had worst day since it was very rage bound. But quite fortunately we generally dont have many range bound days.

Back Testing:
I already did back test for the current week and results look promising. This week end I will back test for Oct and Nov and pkatil will help me for backtesting Sep. We need volunteers for more back testing.
Dear Sir,
:)Thanks for your effort.I want to be a volunteer. Please tell me what to do.Your effort will be appreciated by all.Sir, is that for every 5 points rise you want to increase your stop loss
 
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rkkarnani

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#15
Great Deps

By the way ... we had 60 min flow...then mini flow ...and now micro flow... what next ...maybe naked flow :D
KK, That is the original one, the naked flow!!! Almost all, the majority Trade just jumping in the flow not knowing which side the tide is and without any SL in place, i.e. all naked trades. :D
 

rkkarnani

Well-Known Member
#16
Actually this method is not dependent on any time frame. We shift the SAR as nifty makes new high compared to our position for longs (vice versa for shorts) and reverse when the SAR is hit.

My friend, close all your charting software and just notice the progress of Nifty. Ofcourse charting software can help us to get recent high after we are into the trade instead of constantly observing nifty on ODIN.
Please think again Debdeeps.....we surely need a time frame to do it.

Suppose we enter long at 2665.
The new high may be say 2710 in 30 minutes, the same shall be 2699 in 15 and 2739 in 60 and just 2677 in 5 minutes time frame.
Have tested similar system, though a bit diferent,it requires a lot of back testing to synchronise the Time frame and the SAR value. You have suggetsed 37 but it needs a corrosponding TF with it.

All the best.
 

rkkarnani

Well-Known Member
#17
Hi,

Thanks for the new initiative.

Would you please help me in clarifying/verifying the following points:

1. Entry will be as per Saint's mini flow method.
2. SAR will be changed by constant value of 37 and is not based on timeframes/pivots etc. For example, for a long trade, after initial entry, SAR is always nifty new high - 37.
However, which value should be taken as the nifty new high? In the example trade, we enterd @ 2514 and moved SAR once price hits 2520. Just trying to understand why we change SAR exactly at 2520 and not at say 2518 or 2522 or 2525? How do we select this "nifty new high" without relying on a timeframe or a constant value from entry?

Regards
Mowgli
Very correctly pointed out.
 

rishig38

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#19


Dear Sir,
:)Thanks for your effort.I want to be a volunteer. Please tell me what to do.Your effort will be appreciated by all.Sir, is that for every 5 points rise you want to increase your stop loss
ramling, not for every 5 point raise and not for any time frame....as soon as you get a new high, you move your stops...whether it is a 1 point high or 50 point high...does not matter...this way you are constantly shifting your SAR level with every point (whether it is 0.01 or 1.0)...but to keep things simple, just follow one point rule...

So, shift in SAR after every rise/fall in 1 point depending on the position (long or short)..
 

rkkarnani

Well-Known Member
#20
ramling, not for every 5 point raise and not for any time frame....as soon as you get a new high, you move your stops...whether it is a 1 point high or 50 point high...does not matter...this way you are constantly shifting your SAR level with every point (whether it is 0.01 or 1.0)...but to keep things simple, just follow one point rule...

So, shift in SAR after every rise/fall in 1 point depending on the position (long or short)..
Rishig, Please reconsider your view, to me it seems a bit not workable. Just have a look at yesterday market. The market at 2 PM closed at 2547 and by 3 PM it had a high of 2675.. it moved by 128 points in 1 hour...how many times does one change the SAR in one hour, if he just watches the Odin or any other price screen? In fact in such a up move the SAR keeps on changing too frequently.....Almost 50 + times atleast in an hour. That is the reason we need a time frame, be it 5 minutes or whatever.
Would love to read your view in this regard.