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The crisis isnt over​
Stock markets around the world soared yesterday. The Dow jumped more than 300 points.

News out of Europe says theyre working on a fix to resolve the crisis there. Reports here say the holiday season may be off to a strong start. Sales on Black Friday may have hit a record.

So, is that it? Is the crisis over? Is it time to ramp up your equity exposure, take on more risk?

Heavens. Anything can happen. And, OK, there are stocks out there that look pretty decent value.

But here are ten reasons to be skeptical. This so looks like a dead cat bounce.

1. The market was due a rally. The Standard & Poors 500 index SPX +0.22% had fallen seven days in a row. But equity markets never fall in a straight line. After a long run of down days, people whove been betting against stocks by selling short get tempted to lock in some of their profits by buying stocks back. Others who want to buy stocks see sharp falls and get tempted to bargain hunt. This inevitably produces quick, sharp rallies. This one may last a day, a week, a month or more. That doesnt mean a thing about long-term trends.


2. The report from Italy, one of the items sparking bullish sentiment, has already proven a crock. A news report there over the weekend said the International Monetary Fund was working on plans to step into the European debt crisis with a gigantic $600 billion bailout. The report has been dismissed, on the record, by an IMF spokesman.

3. The reports from northern Europe are absurd. Markets are excited by reports that Germany, France and Brussels are working on a new bailout plan. But look at the details! Under the proposals, the European Union will help insure the debts of countries in crisis, but in return it will be given veto powers over the budgets of the countries in question. This idea cant survive 10 seconds of serious thought. The Greeks are rioting over budget cuts proposed by their own governments. What possible chance is there that they or the Italians, or the Spanish would accept austerity measures imposed by Brussels?

4. Are the Germans suddenly reflationists? The only politically feasible way out of the European crisis is to turn on the printing presses. That either means letting the European Central Bank print more euros, or letting countries like Greece drop out of the euro, so they can print their own currencies. But so far neither is on the agenda. Germany wont let the ECB print. And countries arent ready to drop out of the single currency. Until one of these happens, there will be no resolution to the crisis.

5. Italy is still in trouble. Gross government debts are 120% of gross domestic product, and even net of intra-government liabilities they are 100%. Ken Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart, in their sweeping history of financial crises, This Time Is Different, found that 100% was the tipping point for serious trouble. No wonder investors are demanding 7.5% annual interest to lend money to Italy for five years compared to just 1.3% for Germany. And theyre demanding more than 6% to lend to Spain.


6. Chinas real estate market is looking ominous. In the past few years, economic growth in China fueled in part by its gigantic housing boom has helped keep the rest of the world economy from falling apart completely. Now Chinese real estate prices are tumbling, developers are going bust, and the OECD has warned that this poses a risk to the worlds second largest economy. In its latest report the OECD calls the health of Chinas real estate companies a prominent domestic risk overshadowing the economic outlook. Read China may be at a policy turning point.

7. The U.S. consumer is still broke. Among the more baffling reasons for cheering yesterday was a report saying that Black Friday Christmas sales jumped sharply from 2010, hitting a new record. Investors saw the chaotic and nationally embarrassing scenes over the weekend, fistfights, pepper sprays and the like. Bloomberg reported on a woman 12 weeks pregnant camping out in the freezing cold to get a deal on a flat screen TV. If anything, this should make rational people more gloomy. Have we learned nothing? The numbers are not heartening. Despite the lies you read and hear, telling you that American consumers are repairing their balance sheets, the truth is total household debts in this country have fallen by a mere 4.5% from the record peak at the height of the bubble a few years ago. They are still 20% higher than they were as recently as 2005, and twice what they were in 1999. According to the Federal Reserve, consumer credit levels are rising. And according to the Commerce Department, households are saving less than 4% of their disposable incomes a fraction of the levels seen decades ago, and well down even from 6% or more seen in 2008-9. Read Black Friday sales hit record, giving season hope.

8. Millions here are still out of work. The unemployment situation is far, far worse than the government is telling you. Forget the official jobless rate, 9%. Its meaningless. Even the so-called underemployment rate doesnt tell the full story. Consider this: According to the Labor Department, the number of men age 25 to 54 who are out of work is officially 4.2 million. The reality? Deep in the footnotes the Labor Department says there are 61.6 million men in America age 25 to 54, while just 46.7 million are in full-time work. That leaves 14.9 million left over. Another 3.7 million work part-time. Seven million arent accounted for at all.

9. Meanwhile equities still arent cheap. This shouldnt be overstated: There are reasonable deals out there, especially among some of the blue chips here and overseas. But U.S. stocks overall trade on 21 times their average earnings of the past 10 years, according to data compiled by Yale economics professor Robert Shiller. This, the so-called cyclically adjusted price/earnings ratio, has proven historically to be a reasonable yardstick. The average since the 1880s has been about 16 times.

10. The economic outlook is gloomy. Western governments have spent the last few years borrowing heavily from the future to try to stimulate growth today. According to the IMF, in the past three years the gross debts of the advanced economies have risen in aggregate from 80% to 100% of their entire GDP. We are likely to see them tighten their belts next. This was the agenda of the budget supercommittee here and of austerity plans in Europe. No wonder the OECD warns that it expects world economic growth to slow next.

Sure, you can overdo the gloom. The economic fundamentals always look terrible they call it the dismal science for good reason. Maybe events will turn out better than feared. Lets hope so. But its still a little early to break out the Champagne.

I read it from here

I thought you were a technical analyst. But paying attention to fundamentals?

What difference will fundamentals make in the next 15 minutes? 30 minutes?

And if you say you combine both, you are just fooling yourself, because if you trade intraday, you cannot combine fundamentals with technicals.

Or maybe you have a neural net running a lot of parameters, throwing out signals.
 
Sorry if I disappointed you, sumosanammain.


I thought you were a technical analyst. But paying attention to fundamentals?

What difference will fundamentals make in the next 15 minutes? 30 minutes?

And if you say you combine both, you are just fooling yourself, because if you trade intraday, you cannot combine fundamentals with technicals.

Or maybe you have a neural net running a lot of parameters, throwing out signals.
 

Rkji

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DM,

whatever happens ' fundamentally ' will occur in PRICE ACTION the fastest, much before you get the news perhaps.

understand everything is manipulated, people say forex is too large to be dominated by a single group, they forget, their own broker is the first blood sucker.

people generally use fund + tech research in long term trades, but i believe there is no fundamental reality happening in our markets most of the time .. whenever it suits big players, institutions are just a part, they pull up or push down prices by bringing up some news in highlight to REACT in their own favor.

unless, you see everything as manipulated, i don't see consistency coming yet.

having said all this, i do not wish to sound like a preacher who has much acomplished, as i am on a journey of my own, with lot of failures, i am on demo forex for past 1 yr +, finding little consistency now.

i would rather be very patient in demo than blow up few LIVE accounts , though demo trading is nothing like LIVE trading due to some reasons .. stll i persist achieving consistency in demo first. maybe participate in few forex contests to see how i fare & then go LIVE = loaded :)

regards
rishi






Sorry if I disappointed you, sumosanammain.
 
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Hello Rishi,
You are doing great here. But I want to add little bit here,
Fundamental is for over all economy. I am not agree with the fact that before the news come market will be adjusted "EVERY TIME". Yes some times earning reports, new order, change of GM, loss in current project, new tenders etc etc are news that are adjusted in price before that news come in cnbc or bloomberg :p
But I am not that type of trader who goes by news hyped stocks. But keeping the over all economy is not that bad right. And market not always judge every movement of price. I mean to say "dead cat bounce", Gap Up/Down, pull due to Europe, push due to dow this factors can make market volatile but to some extent. So if you are aware by the over all factors, what is strong and what is weak, then even a s short term traders helps you.

I saw your excellent success in Forex, it is great. I wish you best of luck for the real money account. Because it involves "Fear of loosing hard earned money, that you have not experienced yet". Don't get me wrong I am not preaching you.

There are few fundamental factors that helps to judge the market. It is out the scope of my thread, so I am not discussing here. But that you all for making nice, constructive discussion here. I appreciate all of you. :)


DM,

whatever happens ' fundamentally ' will occur in PRICE ACTION the fastest, much before you get the news perhaps.

understand everything is manipulated, people say forex is too large to be dominated by a single group, they forget, their own broker is the first blood sucker.

people generally use fund + tech research in long term trades, but i believe there is no fundamental reality happening in our markets most of the time .. whenever it suits big players, institutions are just a part, they pull up or push down prices by bringing up some news in highlight to REACT in their own favor.

unless, you see everything as manipulated, i don't see consistency coming yet.

having said all this, i do not wish to sound like a preacher who has much acomplished, as i am on a journey of my own, with lot of failures, i am on demo forex for past 1 yr +, finding little consistency now.

i would rather be very patient in demo than blow up few LIVE accounts , though demo trading is nothing like LIVE trading due to some reasons .. stll i persist achieving consistency in demo first. maybe participate in few forex contests to see how i fare & then go LIVE = loaded :)

regards
rishi
 

4xpipcounter

Well-Known Member
Rishi, that is exactly why I have said that even though forex cannot be manipulated, because of the mathematics that forces the interrelationships of all currencies; yet, brokers can still be a nightmare, and it is the little things they can do to you, such as your platform some how locks up on you during a key entry period, or your entry hits, but some how their back room platform says it did not, and other things.


DM,
understand everything is manipulated, people say forex is too large to be dominated by a single group, they forget, their own broker is the first blood sucker.

regards
rishi
 
DAY TRADERS ALWAYS LOOSE MONEY

As we explained earlier, day-trading is one of the dumbest jobs there is: According to one academic study, 4 out of 5 people who do it lose money and only 1 in 100 do it well enough to be described as "predictably profitable."

Most of the folks who do it, in other words, would be far better off working at Burger King.

As is often the case when we bring up these facts, some readers screamed. One said that our brain-damage was made patently obvious by the fact that Wall Street professionals day-trade all day. If day-trading were so dumb, then why would professionals do it?

Here's what that particular reader is missing:

Most Wall Street traders get paid to day-trade other people's money.*

That's a huge difference compared to what most stay-at-home day-traders do.

The average professional trader gets paid somewhere between 1% and 3% of assets per year just to trade those assets all day. The average hedge-fund trader gets paid another 20% on top of that for any "gains" he or she makes (regardless of whether the gains are the result of the trader's trading or the bull market).

The average stay-at-home day-trader, meanwhile, trades his or her own money. And while many of these traders do fine on a gross basis (before costs), once the costs of this trading are deducted (commissions, taxes, research and information, time), their performance is usually downright awful.

The reason so many professionals day-trade, in other words, is that getting paid to day-trade other people's money is one of the best businesses in the world.

Day-trading your OWN money, meanwhile, is one of the worst.


As this is my Intraday Trading system Thread and many if us here, who has done Intraday trading successfully, Why these DUMB guys makes articles like this in highly esteemed news media like ET, Bloomberg, CNBC, FORBES etc?
 

4xpipcounter

Well-Known Member
Yet, trading your own is very profitable. People trade OPM, because of a reputation they built for themselves, and people hand their money over to them based on that reputation. A reputation can be built without any trading principle to back it up.
OTOH good traders will use OPM to trade with using a more conservative approach, and the sneaky little secret is there is more peace of mind using OPM.
Personally, I have never liked the idea of someone else handling my money, because you never really know who the real deal is. OTOH, I believe most people want others to handle their money because they lack the confidence in trading for themselves.

What an ironic twist! We are in such a lucrative industry, yet, the hamburger flipper at Burger King is making more than most of the people in this industry. A least the people at BK are making positive money. Most of the people in our industry are bankrupting their accounts.
BTW, that is not a knock on anyone that may be struggling. It is just a perspective.


DAY TRADERS ALWAYS LOOSE MONEY

As we explained earlier, day-trading is one of the dumbest jobs there is: According to one academic study, 4 out of 5 people who do it lose money and only 1 in 100 do it well enough to be described as "predictably profitable."

Most of the folks who do it, in other words, would be far better off working at Burger King.

As is often the case when we bring up these facts, some readers screamed. One said that our brain-damage was made patently obvious by the fact that Wall Street professionals day-trade all day. If day-trading were so dumb, then why would professionals do it?

Here's what that particular reader is missing:

Most Wall Street traders get paid to day-trade other people's money.*

That's a huge difference compared to what most stay-at-home day-traders do.

The average professional trader gets paid somewhere between 1% and 3% of assets per year just to trade those assets all day. The average hedge-fund trader gets paid another 20% on top of that for any "gains" he or she makes (regardless of whether the gains are the result of the trader's trading or the bull market).

The average stay-at-home day-trader, meanwhile, trades his or her own money. And while many of these traders do fine on a gross basis (before costs), once the costs of this trading are deducted (commissions, taxes, research and information, time), their performance is usually downright awful.

The reason so many professionals day-trade, in other words, is that getting paid to day-trade other people's money is one of the best businesses in the world.

Day-trading your OWN money, meanwhile, is one of the worst.


As this is my Intraday Trading system Thread and many if us here, who has done Intraday trading successfully, Why these DUMB guys makes articles like this in highly esteemed news media like ET, Bloomberg, CNBC, FORBES etc?