SH's 315 Strategy - how to use if effectively

rkkarnani

Well-Known Member
SH,

As far as I remember, I have only made 3/4 trades (all SELLs) so far using 315. They have all resulted in losses for me. Strange luck indeed.


11/06: HCL Tech was initiated as a SELL at 308.
11/09: HCL Tech was initiated as a BUY at 313.50.
LOSS = Rs 7,150.00

12/15: HCL Tech was initiated as a SELL at 336.00.
12/16: HCL Tech was initiated as a BUY at 345.50.
LOSS = Rs 12,350.00

12/21: Bharti Airtel was initiated as a SELL at 309.
Today (12/22): Airtel whipsawed with a BUY at 321.50.
LOSS = Rs 6,250.00

Currently have an open position in NIFTY initiated as SELL at 5025 on 12/15.

I attribute this more to bad LUCK rather than the system itself. But if one is terribly unlucky then no system if foolproof.
My $0.02 : You are correct "No system is fool proof", but it is irrespective of 'luck'!!! Luck may have its role in Stock trading but very minimal!!! Its discipline that matters!!! You chose to trade HCL tech but did not continue with it , left it mid way and after some time reentered at your 'will'!!!
In Bharati if you see the chart, it gave handsome profit in December, went long at 305 and did a high of 345!!! Yes it did whipped in the last trade but if one consistently trades it , there should not be a problem, atleast the past data suggests this!!!
Best is to study your favourite stocks historical chart and decide which ones to trade and then consistently trade them. My view is to collate the past trades and see how many times the stock gave a negative result on month to month basis (may be you will find none giving a negative result in any month) and avoid them and trade the others with a strong discipline!!! As Saint would say, remove the "I" from your trades!!! The system seems really robust and Excellent if traded consistently!!! Yes consistency is another attribute that will decide your profitability!!!
One cannot just jump into any stock to trade a system. We should have a look at the historical charts to see how the System is behaving on it and set our rules accordingly. In HCL Tech I find at a number of places the 3EMA crosses 15 EMA by less than a rupee and reverses direction. May be we for HCL Tech can have a rule to enter a trade only if the MA difference is >a rupee or take position above or below the Hi or Lo of the bar that gave the EMA crossover. Moreover, jumping from one stock to another also is bad way to trade. If you had gone on trading HCl tech than I see that a long at 324 went upto ~343, gave an exit, reentry again at ~331, add at 324 , went down max upto 39 and did a high of 371, and is still long. If TH would be trading it, he would have by now exited and reentered a few times bringing down his entry price andthe trade would end in fabulous profits.
 
I couldnt agree more to what Rkkarnani has said above... this system like any other system needs descipline and consistency.

And the whole point of following a system is to remove the 'luck' element from trading. Hence we can't curse 'luck' when we fail to follow the system consistently.

Cheers
SH
 

rh6996

Well-Known Member
Have added to my shorts at 5038; price touching 15EMA!!! This 'add' makes this system muchmore stronger!!! Thanks TH, have sarted trading it since Dec. in Nifty and a RIL and SBI, doing well!! Did incorporate some rules per my trading comfort.
Thanks for such a nice and simple system!!
-Kanchan
 
Shucks. Looks like I am staring at a huge loss in NIFTY today.

SH,

As far as I remember, I have only made 3/4 trades (all SELLs) so far using 315. They have all resulted in losses for me. Strange luck indeed.


11/06: HCL Tech was initiated as a SELL at 308.
11/09: HCL Tech was initiated as a BUY at 313.50.
LOSS = Rs 7,150.00

12/15: HCL Tech was initiated as a SELL at 336.00.
12/16: HCL Tech was initiated as a BUY at 345.50.
LOSS = Rs 12,350.00

12/21: Bharti Airtel was initiated as a SELL at 309.
Today (12/22): Airtel whipsawed with a BUY at 321.50.
LOSS = Rs 6,250.00

Currently have an open position in NIFTY initiated as SELL at 5025 on 12/15.

I attribute this more to bad LUCK rather than the system itself. But if one is terribly unlucky then no system if foolproof.
 
http://www.traderji.com/technical-analysis/30428-shs-315-strategy-how-use-if-effectively-37.html


3rd December 2009, 02:49 AM
kkr555
Member Join Date: Sep 2009

Re: SH's 315 Strategy - how to use if effectively

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I have been injured (fell from a bike after running straight into a calf that darted suddenly into the middle of the road) and hence missed out on obtaining this statistic.
Post #370 (link shown above) clearly shows that I was injured in a minor accident in the middle of Nov. Hence I stopped trading until mid-Dec. Even though at that time it seemed like a trivial incident, I am (still) barely able to walk even today. Hence the UNLUCKY part in missing out on the good trades while only getting tagged to whipsaws.

Morover, I only trade 315 on Nifty, HCL, Bharti and Infosys. That's because I hold these shares as investment in my portfolio.


My $0.02 : You are correct "No system is fool proof", but it is irrespective of 'luck'!!! Luck may have its role in Stock trading but very minimal!!! Its discipline that matters!!! You chose to trade HCL tech but did not continue with it , left it mid way and after some time reentered at your 'will'!!!
In Bharati if you see the chart, it gave handsome profit in December, went long at 305 and did a high of 345!!! Yes it did whipped in the last trade but if one consistently trades it , there should not be a problem, atleast the past data suggests this!!!
Best is to study your favourite stocks historical chart and decide which ones to trade and then consistently trade them. My view is to collate the past trades and see how many times the stock gave a negative result on month to month basis (may be you will find none giving a negative result in any month) and avoid them and trade the others with a strong discipline!!! As Saint would say, remove the "I" from your trades!!! The system seems really robust and Excellent if traded consistently!!! Yes consistency is another attribute that will decide your profitability!!!
One cannot just jump into any stock to trade a system. We should have a look at the historical charts to see how the System is behaving on it and set our rules accordingly. In HCL Tech I find at a number of places the 3EMA crosses 15 EMA by less than a rupee and reverses direction. May be we for HCL Tech can have a rule to enter a trade only if the MA difference is >a rupee or take position above or below the Hi or Lo of the bar that gave the EMA crossover. Moreover, jumping from one stock to another also is bad way to trade. If you had gone on trading HCl tech than I see that a long at 324 went upto ~343, gave an exit, reentry again at ~331, add at 324 , went down max upto 39 and did a high of 371, and is still long. If TH would be trading it, he would have by now exited and reentered a few times bringing down his entry price andthe trade would end in fabulous profits.
 
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rh6996

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I lost a pile , trying to be mechanical!! BUT did not loose till now in december derivative month.
In any case such thing really hurts.... any suggestion SH, how to minimise these whips!! To add insult to injury I added to my shorts today at 15 EMA!!!
 

arti

Active Member
I have a basic doubt about this strategy.In todays EOD chart its not clear whether 3ema crossed above 15ema, so i should wait for next eod's candle or the way mkt rallied i should have entered when 3ema crossed 15ema on intraday charts (or after waiting till 3:25p.m i should have entered long as suggested by SH). Please some one clarify my doubt.
 

ag_fx

Well-Known Member
I lost a pile , trying to be mechanical!! BUT did not loose till now in december derivative month.
In any case such thing really hurts.... any suggestion SH, how to minimise these whips!! To add insult to injury I added to my shorts today at 15 EMA!!!
I guess you didnt read the system well. I believe it was mentioned by TWH that the add(in case of shorts) will be done once the current candle breaks the low of previous day's candle. Which obviously hasnt happened today and you have added prematurely.

TWH will have to confirm this, but I guess there wasnt suppose to be any add today.
 

rh6996

Well-Known Member
I guess you didnt read the system well. I believe it was mentioned by TWH that the add(in case of shorts) will be done once the current candle breaks the low of previous day's candle. Which obviously hasnt happened today and you have added prematurely.

TWH will have to confirm this, but I guess there wasnt suppose to be any add today.
You may be correct AG!!! I might have missed some Post of TH!!!
However I give below the portion where TH had summarised the rules :

Pyramiding

Pyramiding or 'adds' are obviosly done once our position has 'swung' into profits. The rule is we add when the markets correct after a swing, price comes and touched 15 EMA again (but 3 EMA hasnt crossed over). This means that we add very close to our SAR hence keeps the risk small and also ensures that even if SAR is triggered we still end up in net profits (since our initial position is in profits hopefully now).
The short was triggered on close on 15th December at ~5030. Did a low of 4937 on 21st!! So we were obviously in profit, hence added today when price touched 15 EMA!!!
Have gone long at close as 3EMA crossed 15EMA!!!? Though it pinches to loose profit in hand and also end up in loss but have no regrets as I traded as I understood the system and noted the trading rules. Moreover I am net not in loss in December Futures!!
I agree with TH when he says that we need to have overall profits rather than look at the system on trade to trade basis!!
 

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