Trading with Volume Spread Analysis (VSA)

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chaitanyagoa

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Only if US would close positive which is very unlikely with the current Mess in US people would like to have a weekend with stocks disposed. I feel there is a massive support around 10150-10170 levels and until US closes massively below it I ll be fine. But US will take time to go up.
yeah i guess US markets are looking for all the reasons any where in the world to FALL....:mad:

First they sang the Obama song,Then China Song and then they were Singing the Ben Bernarke gazals.....Now when everything is fine and even with great data backing everything......The markets are in Disarray esp the Tech stocks .. I dont know what is causing their downfall day in and day Out....:annoyed:

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nimish_rulz

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yeah i guess US markets are looking for all the reasons any where in the world to FALL....:mad:

First they sang the Obama song,Then China Song and then they were Singing the Ben Bernarke gazals.....Now when everything is fine and even with great data backing everything......The markets are in Disarray esp the Tech stocks .. I dont know what is causing their downfall day in and day Out....:annoyed:

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Mate they haven't got accumulators at the moment Institutions are not willing to put in any money before they find out what sort of rule does Obama comes out with the meeting is on Saturday which is tomorrow. Hence the weakness, also whenever the Asian or European markets are buoyant America tries to play a spoil sport. But majorly we are not seeing any massive movement towards the upside because of the lack of conviction on what exactly will happen. Most probably nothing will happen between Obama and bankers until the Hedge fund and non regulated speculative investment vehicles also have their meeting with Mr. President until then I dont expect much action in US. But I continue to say 10150-10170 is a very strong support zone if it goes below it significantly the buying comes. Also 10240-10250 is proving to be a massive supply zone hence the resistance.
 
on 25/01/2010 VSA analysis kinda failed to detect the fall of nifty on 27/01/2010,only proper and clear signals were seen in candle patterns 3 days back,all that VSA said on 25/01/2010 was "No Supply. A no supply bar indicates supply has been removed and the Smart money can markup the price. It is better to wait for confirmation" so i wish to know was this whipsaw by VSA.any other views are welcomed, like where did you see this down trend coming?
 

bunny

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on 25/01/2010 VSA analysis kinda failed to detect the fall of nifty on 27/01/2010
My observation is that inside down bars that show signs of strength often fail. The same is often not true for inside up bars that show signs of weakness. I have not done statistical assessment to confirm if there really exists such tendency, but its just a casual striking observation. I think Tom Williams, also has mentioned this somewhere in one of his books - that "The range must be broken" but I cannot find it right now,
so i wish to know was this whipsaw by VSA
It wasn't a whipsaw, because the bar of 22 JAN 2010, although was a down bar closing on the middle/high has high volume under it - meaning supply was still present. Also, as we are analyzing the chart of an index, some error is introduced because if two scrips are contributing oppositely to the index, their volumes are still added cumulatively, thus distorting the effective volume.

like where did you see this down trend coming?
I am not sure what this piece of the question meant, but I think you are asking if VSA failed to see this bear move coming? If this is what you are asking, then I admit that, though VSA had given signal that "Market direction may change", it was my personal error in judgment, do not blame the VSA for this. You can see below the post I made on 18 JAN 2010, which was made very accurately when we were on the almost top and just before the markets slid. I think such accuracy is enviable, though it is unfortunate of my judgmental error. To add to the confusion, the low volumes on the following down days added to further error.

There is something noteworthy about today's volumes. They were lower in the cash market(S & P CNX NIFTY index stocks) but higher in NIFTY futures and options. Usually, such an activity is seen when the market is going to change its direction, or make a big move in the ongoing directions. So will we reverse and slip south? or, will we make new highs? In most probability, we will make new highs. I am arriving at this conclusion by looking at the top-gainer stocks in various groups(BSE groups). If we see analyze the charts of large-cap stocks who have made large moves(more than 4% over its previous close in a single day), most of these moves are to breakout above trading range. The same is true for mid-cap and small-cap stocks where we have huge single-day gains across levels where there are gaps or circuits of lower circuits. The high volume under this breakout signifies absorption by the professional money. The professional money is absorbing the supply from locked-in traders because it believes that they can sell the same stock at higher price. In one singlular and popular word, the professional sentiment is Bullish through we are at the 18-months top. Many of the stock who have made the large moves through a trading range have confirmed "no selling pressure" on the down-bars following them.
PS: I am analyzing the daily chart of NIFTY index or spot, manually, without any AFL.
 
yup you are right bunny VSA did gave intimation (on 21/01/2010) about this fall,but i was confused because preceding (on 25/01/2010) bar was showing it will rise up (no supply) then next day it was exactly opposite.so it was kind of mixed signal.candles gave bearish signal on 19/01/2010 itself.even woodie gave bearish signal on 18/01/2010.
its very good of you,you are able to analyse without help of afl.
 
Hello Sir

I have been reading this thread since many weeks and it is really useful. Though, there are certain things which I am still not able to understand.

I hope I can expect some help on the confusing issues. Like the BioCon (nse) chart for 29th Jan. The price range was between 255-270 and a big white candle; but the volume was comparatively low. How to interpret it?

Thanks in advance
 
Hello Sir

I have been reading this thread since many weeks and it is really useful. Though, there are certain things which I am still not able to understand.

I hope I can expect some help on the confusing issues. Like the BioCon (nse) chart for 29th Jan. The price range was between 255-270 and a big white candle; but the volume was comparatively low. How to interpret it?

Thanks in advance
I am not expert in VSA but would like to comment my view on this chart
All seniors pls correct me if my view differs than yours
In Biocon daily chart their is high supply at every top or trading range which is being absorbed ie support is given my smart money. In long run is look like distribution at high levels, but at immediate look it looks strong ie it is buy for short term period with minimal target of 300-320 which is its all time high made in dec 2007.
Since march 2009 it is in up move so a cautious concern.

Regads
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I am not expert in VSA but would like to comment my view on this chart
All seniors pls correct me if my view differs than yours
In Biocon daily chart their is high supply at every top or trading range which is being absorbed ie support is given my smart money. In long run is look like distribution at high levels, but at immediate look it looks strong ie it is buy for short term period with minimal target of 300-320 which is its all time high made in dec 2007.
Since march 2009 it is in up move so a cautious concern.

Regads
:)
Thanks for your efforts bro; but I am still not able to grasp. If there is highly supply does it not mean that smart money is selling. I mean how to exactly identify when smart money is playing its role in buying or selling; I am a little bit confused in it.
And please also help me in understanding my question about Biocon's 29th Jan candle.

The price range was between 255-270 and a big white candle; but the volume was comparatively low. How to interpret it?

If anyone can help me to interpret this single candle with reference to overall chart, I will be highly obliged.
 
And, please do not take my question in negative way; I am really in need to understand the role of volumes without getting confused at any time. I have been trying since long to understand the role and significance of volume; and have tried as many books and literature as I can but of very little use. The books have limited aspects. While a forum like this, where stalwarts are operating; it will be a very good support and help to me. Because I can request for clarification where-ever I feel confused.

Thanks again for your time and patience.
 
Thanks for your efforts bro; but I am still not able to grasp. If there is highly supply does it not mean that smart money is selling. I mean how to exactly identify when smart money is playing its role in buying or selling; I am a little bit confused in it.
And please also help me in understanding my question about Biocon's 29th Jan candle.

The price range was between 255-270 and a big white candle; but the volume was comparatively low. How to interpret it?

If anyone can help me to interpret this single candle with reference to overall chart, I will be highly obliged.
On 29 jan it is up day with closing high on low volume with wide spread
Comparing it with last 2-3 days bar last 3 bars were down days with increasing volume
If it were selling ie from 25 to 28 jan on high volumes then how comw with limited volume
spread is so up that too closing above last 2 days close
IMO on 28 jan bar their is more buying than selling as prices are at new high ground
Bar on 29 jan imply strength but it will not go very far as their is no strength in background
Regards
 
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