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Re: Intraday chart for commodities

Do you provide intraday charts for commodities as well? I apologize if this question has been answered before. Moreover, any news on commodity options? Are we going to get it? Ever?
Yes we give commodity charts, with all the news around NSEL, MCX and FT, commodity options, hmmm.. I guess we should forget about it for now..
As a options trader I am also very keen on it and has been tracking the development regarding it for years. What I can tell you from my knowledge is that for commodity Options the central government has to pass the FCRA bill, which has been hanging fire in Parliament for a very very long time. The bill's old version lapsed in UPA-1 term. At present, the FMC does Not have enough powers to regulate commodity exchanges. Reason why NSEL scam happened.

Government had listed that bill for passing many times, but each time the parliament got stalled 'cos of some scam or something else. The bill was listed for passing in the just passed monsoon session of parliament also. But again the same story repeated - the whole session got wasted 'cos of coal controversy. But the government is very serious about passing it this time. It wants to pass all the pending bills to spur growth. It had listed 43 pending bills for passing in the monsoon session. But could pass only those which were very high on its priority, and that too 'cos it cut a deal with the Opposition!

So "If" the forthcoming winter session of parliament, which will be The last parliament session of UPA's term, does Not get washout 'cos of some controversy, then the FCRA bill has a very very good chance of getting passed. Winter session is usually held between Oct-Dec. So if the bill gets passed then I think by next year's Mar-Apr the option of trading in commodity Options would become available to traders.

As an aside, the winter session is going to be "blockbuster". Govt likely to pass bills like GST etc. in this session.

Use this widely used website to know more about the FCRA bill, pending bills, Parliament activities etc. - 1) http://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/the-forward-contracts-regulation-amendment-bill-2010-1400/

2) How serious is government about passing the FCRA bill can be understood by the fact that it had listed it on the first place in the 2013 monsoon session http://www.prsindia.org/parliamentt...lan-vs-performance-monsoon-session-2013-2927/

3) Website was/is funded by heavyweights like Jhujhunwala, Ford Foundation etc. Read the last para http://www.prsindia.org/aboutus/background/
 
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Zerodha

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Re: how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan

can anybody from zerodha pls explain, how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan where i pay 0.01% as brokerage charges! even for more than 1 lot buy/sell of contracts, zerodha is costlier.

i have attached herewith my original contract note where i sold 1 lot of rpower. compare it with zerodha calculator where final cost comes to be 92.74 compared to 72.51 :annoyed::annoyed::annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:

everything is self-xplanatory here! pls have a look and xplain :mad::mad::mad:


xsis, the difference is because of the stamp duty. You have paid 5(0.02%) in sharekhan, but almost 30(0.01%) in Zerodha as per calculation. What happens though is that the stamp duty at Zerodha has a max cap of Rs 50, whereas in Sharekhan there isn't. Which state are u from?
 

Zerodha

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@zerodha/anyone:

i have LIQUIDBEES in my demat account.

If i SELL it on Monday, can i use the funds to make delivery purchase (CNC) the same day?

OR do i have to wait till the funds are credited into my account and then make the purchase?

pl respond asap.

per this link i can use the funds same day.

http://www.manashvi.com/pdf/KNOWLEDGECENTER/LIQUID BEES.pdf
If you sell, you cannot use the same funds for buying fresh delivery shares but can use it for F&O and intraday
 

xsis

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Re: how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan

m from gujarat!

ur xplanation simply means that zerodha cost is not in favor of retail clients till they trade 2 lots (if i take nifty as an example) in one GO on an average! beyond that zerodha is cheaper.

in detail if u see, stamp duty is 0.01% of TO or 50/- whichever is lower. so till 5lacs of TO, i will be charged only 50/- or lower the cost which is getting offset by my broker who charges 0.01% as brokerge on total TO (u only 20/- per trade)!


in short, if i take nifty as example, any broker who offers 0.01% brokerage is:
  • cheaper than zerodha till 1 lot per trade or with TO less than 5lacs
  • at par with zerodha till 2 lots per trade or TO less than 5 lacs
  • costlier than zerodha for more than 2 lots per trade or TO more than 5 lacs

same goes with options trading as ur definition of TO is lot size * (strike price + premium) which u take to calculate stamp duty of 0.01%, which is again not the csse for other brokerages which will only charge me 0.4-0.5 only for a nifty contract! so options trading with zerodha is profitable only if i trade more than 3 lots per trade otherwise its damn costly!

so zerodha is not for retail traders like me.

xsis, the difference is because of the stamp duty. You have paid 5(0.02%) in sharekhan, but almost 30(0.01%) in Zerodha as per calculation. What happens though is that the stamp duty at Zerodha has a max cap of Rs 50, whereas in Sharekhan there isn't. Which state are u from?
can anybody from zerodha pls explain, how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan where i pay 0.01% as brokerage charges! even for more than 1 lot buy/sell of contracts, zerodha is costlier.

i have attached herewith my original contract note where i sold 1 lot of rpower. compare it with zerodha calculator where final cost comes to be 92.74 compared to 72.51 :annoyed::annoyed::annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:

everything is self-xplanatory here! pls have a look and xplain :mad::mad::mad:


 

Zerodha

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Re: how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan

m from gujarat!

ur xplanation simply means that zerodha cost is not in favor of retail clients till they trade 2 lots (if i take nifty as an example) in one GO on an average! beyond that zerodha is cheaper.

in detail if u see, stamp duty is 0.01% of TO or 50/- whichever is lower. so till 5lacs of TO, i will be charged only 50/- or lower the cost which is getting offset by my broker who charges 0.01% as brokerge on total TO (u only 20/- per trade)!


in short, if i take nifty as example, any broker who offers 0.01% brokerage is:
  • cheaper than zerodha till 1 lot per trade or with TO less than 5lacs
  • at par with zerodha till 2 lots per trade or TO less than 5 lacs
  • costlier than zerodha for more than 2 lots per trade or TO more than 5 lacs

same goes with options trading as ur definition of TO is lot size * (strike price + premium) which u take to calculate stamp duty of 0.01%, which is again not the csse for other brokerages which will only charge me 0.4-0.5 only for a nifty contract! so options trading with zerodha is profitable only if i trade more than 3 lots per trade otherwise its damn costly!

so zerodha is not for retail traders like me.
xsis, for Gujrat clients we have already started charging stamp duty as per Gujrat, so it will not be an issue for you personally..
 

xsis

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Re: how come zerodha is costlier compared to sharekhan

for me seeing is believing! for that:

either - i have to open an a/c with you and see it by myself if the total cost for 1-2 lots/trade (TO of less than 5lacs/trade) is less than compared to sharekhan or not!

or you can post a contract note (deleting the identity of trader) where the exact stamp duty is mentioned. wont you do it for a prospective client like me?

but on a bigger picture my arguements/explanation in post438 and post447 confirms that zerodha is not for retail clients who trade less than 2 lots/trade or whose TO is less than 5lacs/trade!

zerodha - do u agree with this or not?

xsis, for Gujrat clients we have already started charging stamp duty as per Gujrat, so it will not be an issue for you personally..
 
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