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It is important to have multiple brokers in the same space, only then can the business model sustain. Today 85% of the retail trading business happens through discount brokers in the US and we think in 3 years from now, it will be the same here.

I think 3 years from now, you would have a lot more options than what is available presently and hopefully we would be in the forefront.

About NOW, hmm... as a person on the other side you would not understand the limitations, so no point discussing that. But if you ask any broker who is completely online, I am sure it will not fit in the scheme of things on a longer term basis, everyone would be looking at ways to increase revenues and move out of it. What you think is the problem with NOW is not for the client, it is for the broker offering who has to run risk management on it who faces the problem. The challenge would be when you make that technology move, the cost of servicing a client who does only 1 trade a month and one who does 200 trades a month changes, in terms of bandwidth utilization charges, license charges etc. If people can adapt to it at a fixed monthly scheme and offer the performance of collocated servers, i'd say kudos.

What we are doing is not opening branches, they are low cost support centers setup with partnership with people who believe the model is for the future and India is still a nascent market for broking business. Less than 70lk unique accounts and an abysmally low 20lk people who take 1 trade/year and less than 10lk active investor/trading community. For a population of 120 crores, it is actually pretty disgraceful for an economy like ours that only so many participate. For any country to get to the next level, you need active participation in the capital markets.

Brokers themselves are to be blamed for this, traditional ones who force clients to take trades and loose money and ensuring that they never come back to the markets.

What sets the developed markets apart is the professional attitude of investors/traders, which is lacking in India. The fact that people don't want anything other than a buy/sell on their terminal is worrying. By lowering brokerage or running any schemes that we as discount brokers run or the so called big names, we are all churning the same pool of 10lk active investor/trader.

We all need to wait and watch for a broker who will get people to start trading professionally. Give access to tools which is required for it and more importantly train on those tools. You might say this is all bull ****, I just need a buy/sell from a broker, but our capital markets will remain as it is if nothing is changed soon. Our capital markets are in pretty pathetic stage, if you look at liquidity in the markets. So guess we have to be that change if you want to see the change. Just read the article on the big boy launching, will be very interesting to see what they do when they launch, because they will have the potential to change the way India trades in a very short period of time.

Here is one for Reliance and hoping that big brother gets it right.. :) ..

Damn!! how is anyone trading commodities over the last few days, nerve wracking just looking at it move...
Our markets are still in a nascent stage, hardly 50 years old. I guess if you look at the history of the share markets in the economies you appear to admire, you will find many more broker bloopers.

Also, considering that we are still very young as a country and that the systems are still being formed, we appear to be doing very well with the density of the market participants. Can't compare it with the countries where the systems have been in place for a longer time.

Well about the brokers who will get people to start trading professionally ?? Hmm.. brokers as teachers/ mentors ?? Quite a paradox. It's a sign of the bad times, or ghor kalyug, that one is a bit chary of the do-gooders :D
 

Zerodha

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Sounds like a broken record, but Zerodha profit model is based purely on charging extra "Transaction Cost" to tune of Rs. 300 / Cr on one side of the trade, i.e. Rs 600 / Cr for intraday trades.

And no surprise in this not being mentioned in the long airport post :)

Cheers
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Parttime,

Today brokers on futures turnover charge between 230 to 650 per crore in terms of transaction + clearing charges. So yes we are not lowest, but we around 250 from the lowest and around Rs 100 per crore from the average higher..

If you are paying Rs 150/crore extra, doesn't matter if it is intraday or overnight, it is Rs 150 itself. If you buy and sell 1 crore then the turnover is 2 crores and not 1 crore. So the example you have given is not really right.

What you need to understand is that it is futures turnover that you are talking about and this contributes only around 15 to 20% of exchange turnover and most of the contribution to futures turnover comes from institutions rather than retail.

Why we charge extra have explained a few times already. Options turnover is what contributes 70% volume on the exchanges and what retail is actively trading today. In options, the turnover charges hardly makes any difference and we are around the average that is charged by industry.

Btw, I guess had too much time on my hand today, spent time writing unnecessary blah blah blah posts once too many times.. ;) .. Sorry if I bored you guys.. Good night..
 
i know zerodha provide 4-10 times leverage in F&O stocks trading..(156 indices are mentioned in ur ecel file)..
but what is leverage in other NSE indices like IndiaBulls power,Atlas cycle,kalyani steel etc...?
pls let me know...
 

Zerodha

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i know zerodha provide 4-10 times leverage in F&O stocks trading..(156 indices are mentioned in ur ecel file)..
but what is leverage in other NSE indices like IndiaBulls power,Atlas cycle,kalyani steel etc...?
pls let me know...
We are presently offering leverage only on the stocks on that excel and not for others.
 

Zerodha

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I always try to let people know of thing on traderji before an email is sent to our clients.. A small surprise we are launching algoZ tomm 25th apr..

This is a feature on ZT, where if you have a technical analysis strategy, you can code it, backtest it and if convinced go live.

When you go live, everytime a buy/sell is initiated a prompt comes on the trading paltform to take action based on your predetermined quantity and stop loss..

You can have multiple such scripts/programs running..

It is a very powerful tool but no use if you don't know how to write strategies.. This is where we will run an online tutorial to teach you how to write down your idea(technical analysis strategy), so you can backtest to see if it actually made money..

This one is a beta and we will have the complete version by 3rd week of may...

You can see details on Zconnect under section algoZ. 85% of trading in developed economies are program based, time retail traders in India started trading the smarter way... : ) ..

Oh yeah, both algoZ and the training will be completely free of cost to our active clients on ZT..

http://www.zerodha.com/z-connect/blog/category/algoz-your-window-to-algorithms

You all should have an official email sometime today on this..

Good night..
 

soft_trader

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I always try to let people know of thing on traderji before an email is sent to our clients.. A small surprise we are launching algoZ tomm 25th apr..

This is a feature on ZT, where if you have a technical analysis strategy, you can code it, backtest it and if convinced go live.

When you go live, everytime a buy/sell is initiated a prompt comes on the trading paltform to take action based on your predetermined quantity and stop loss..

You can have multiple such scripts/programs running..

It is a very powerful tool but no use if you don't know how to write strategies.. This is where we will run an online tutorial to teach you how to write down your idea(technical analysis strategy), so you can backtest to see if it actually made money..

This one is a beta and we will have the complete version by 3rd week of may...

You can see details on Zconnect under section algoZ. 85% of trading in developed economies are program based, time retail traders in India started trading the smarter way... : ) ..

Oh yeah, both algoZ and the training will be completely free of cost to our active clients on ZT..

http://www.zerodha.com/z-connect/blog/category/algoz-your-window-to-algorithms

You all should have an official email sometime today on this..

Good night..
Thanks and congrats for launching Algo trading in INDIA. :clap: :thumb: :)

This algo will be free after the beta period also? And what do you mean by active traders? Is that all clients that has accounts with you or is it a specific group of traders who trades daily with a certain volume?
 

Zerodha

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Launch of algoZ, email sent today:

Dear Traders,
We are constantly trying to offer products that improve your odds of winning in the markets.
The Zerodha 60-Day Challenge was the first one for this financial year. We are following it up with the launch of algoZ, which is our attempt to get India to trade the way the developed world trades, using programs/scripts that are back-tested. Additionally you can also manage your trading capital better by having preset order quantity and stop loss on multiple such scripts.
algoZ – your window to algorithms has been enabled on your Zerodha Trader platform from April 25, 2013. The retail trading community in India is probably 10 years behind developed markets in terms of program-based trading and we at Zerodha want to be the catalyst to change the way India trades - professionally and efficiently.
With "algoZ" you can convert your technical analysis strategy from an idea into a script/code. Once a code, it can be back-tested to see if it had been profitable in the past and take it live if only so. When you take the strategy live, whenever a buy/sell signal is initiated you get a prompt to take action and you could do so based on a predefined quantity and stop loss percentage.
The odds of you winning go up considerably because firstly, you are betting on strategies which have been profitable in the past and when you decide to go live, algoZ will ensure that you don't miss a trade by prompting to take an action whenever your strategy gives a buy/sell indicator with a preset quantity and stop loss percentage. You can run multiple such programs or strategies at the same time to manage your money better and trade without emotions, a key to be successful when trading the markets.
Check out a simple example on how it works:
We are releasing a beta version presently and it will work on NSE/BSE/MCX-SX equity, derivatives and currency. Commodities should be available in the next version. In the beta version, you will be able to backtest intraday data only up to 22 days and end-of-day charts can be backtested for over a year. In the complete version, which we will tentatively launch around the third week of May, you should be able to run scripts on MCX and also backtest on intraday data for up to 10 months and daily charts from inception.
What is critical about program based trading is knowing how to “write a script/code." How do you convert your technical analysis strategy from an idea into a code? The only way you can learn today is by asking people who already write strategies, searching the internet or reading a book. Since there are not many people in India who actually write strategies, the first option is ruled out and the internet/books typically make it very complex for a beginner to learn.
This is where we will add value by running a section called "Code your Strategy" which will be a tutorial on writing strategies. You can let us know your technical analysis strategy and we will code it for you and also explain how to do it. As and when you see a few examples, you will be able to start writing strategies on your own with us by your side always. Do understand that to write a program the logic has to be yours, so an understanding of technical analysis would be a prerequisite. Keeping in line with the concept of algoZ , we would provide only online support for it. This means that whatever your question is, it has to be asked only on Zconnect and you'll find your answer there by one of the experts.
Both algoZ and the training tutorial will be available completely free of cost for our active clients. By “active clients” we mean people who are trading at least 5 times a month with us. For people who already have a basic idea of coding on professional charting software, you can read the user manuals here and see the advantage you get by having the option to go live on the trading platform itself which will reduce the impact cost, lower latency of feeds and ensure that you are able to take every trade initiated by your strategy. This is key for successfully running a TA strategy and it can't be done on professional charting software.
If you think your friends might be interested in a product like this go ahead and refer them by clicking here under our associate program.
Time to write, backtest, and go live on trading the smarter way…
Happy Trading,
Team Zerodha
 
Goodness, Zerodha. Why are you always laying thick on how "backward" our markets are ?? So snobbish ! It's as if you are trying to position yourself as the messiah for the downtrodden masses that the traders are..It only ends up sounding like a hustle.

Ok, since this is the dominant strategy in the "developed" markets, can you give us some more statistics about it ? What is the success rate, rate of returns etc. for the algos ?? How does it handle the spikes (like the one caused yesterday by a tweet about the attack on White House)..?? What are your experiences with it etc..etc..


Launch of algoZ, email sent today:

Dear Traders,
We are constantly trying to offer products that improve your odds of winning in the markets.
The Zerodha 60-Day Challenge was the first one for this financial year. We are following it up with the launch of algoZ, which is our attempt to get India to trade the way the developed world trades, using programs/scripts that are back-tested. Additionally you can also manage your trading capital better by having preset order quantity and stop loss on multiple such scripts.
algoZ your window to algorithms has been enabled on your Zerodha Trader platform from April 25, 2013. The retail trading community in India is probably 10 years behind developed markets in terms of program-based trading and we at Zerodha want to be the catalyst to change the way India trades - professionally and efficiently.
With "algoZ" you can convert your technical analysis strategy from an idea into a script/code. Once a code, it can be back-tested to see if it had been profitable in the past and take it live if only so. When you take the strategy live, whenever a buy/sell signal is initiated you get a prompt to take action and you could do so based on a predefined quantity and stop loss percentage.
The odds of you winning go up considerably because firstly, you are betting on strategies which have been profitable in the past and when you decide to go live, algoZ will ensure that you don't miss a trade by prompting to take an action whenever your strategy gives a buy/sell indicator with a preset quantity and stop loss percentage. You can run multiple such programs or strategies at the same time to manage your money better and trade without emotions, a key to be successful when trading the markets.
Check out a simple example on how it works:
We are releasing a beta version presently and it will work on NSE/BSE/MCX-SX equity, derivatives and currency. Commodities should be available in the next version. In the beta version, you will be able to backtest intraday data only up to 22 days and end-of-day charts can be backtested for over a year. In the complete version, which we will tentatively launch around the third week of May, you should be able to run scripts on MCX and also backtest on intraday data for up to 10 months and daily charts from inception.
What is critical about program based trading is knowing how to write a script/code." How do you convert your technical analysis strategy from an idea into a code? The only way you can learn today is by asking people who already write strategies, searching the internet or reading a book. Since there are not many people in India who actually write strategies, the first option is ruled out and the internet/books typically make it very complex for a beginner to learn.
This is where we will add value by running a section called "Code your Strategy" which will be a tutorial on writing strategies. You can let us know your technical analysis strategy and we will code it for you and also explain how to do it. As and when you see a few examples, you will be able to start writing strategies on your own with us by your side always. Do understand that to write a program the logic has to be yours, so an understanding of technical analysis would be a prerequisite. Keeping in line with the concept of algoZ , we would provide only online support for it. This means that whatever your question is, it has to be asked only on Zconnect and you'll find your answer there by one of the experts.
Both algoZ and the training tutorial will be available completely free of cost for our active clients. By active clients we mean people who are trading at least 5 times a month with us. For people who already have a basic idea of coding on professional charting software, you can read the user manuals here and see the advantage you get by having the option to go live on the trading platform itself which will reduce the impact cost, lower latency of feeds and ensure that you are able to take every trade initiated by your strategy. This is key for successfully running a TA strategy and it can't be done on professional charting software.
If you think your friends might be interested in a product like this go ahead and refer them by clicking here under our associate program.
Time to write, backtest, and go live on trading the smarter way
Happy Trading,
Team Zerodha
 
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