Going With The 60min Flow!!!
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sir wat we hv learnt frm u is priceless.......i dnt have words to describe wat i feel abt u........even if i get some......i wudn't b able to write dem coz i wud feel dey r still less...........
really helpless wid words here sir.......nd dnt knw wat to say........
god bless u sir.....nd please keep ur hands on us.......always......
forgive all of us.......
am sure all of us will go to our homes nd get ready fr a thorough study of all the rules and regulations of this method......very very thoroughly.....
there is always a new day ..... nd we'll come out more better more diciplined nd more learned............nd learn frm each nd every mistake of ours......
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neeraj
really helpless wid words here sir.......nd dnt knw wat to say........
god bless u sir.....nd please keep ur hands on us.......always......
forgive all of us.......
am sure all of us will go to our homes nd get ready fr a thorough study of all the rules and regulations of this method......very very thoroughly.....
there is always a new day ..... nd we'll come out more better more diciplined nd more learned............nd learn frm each nd every mistake of ours......
( : - (
neeraj
Saint please dont think of closing this thread ... I understand it upsets you when you learn that all your effort is going waste .. but believe me thats not the case ... we are trying hard to master the system .. some of us have even achieved excellence and perfection is is on their way ..
It would have been only newcomers like me who would have failed to see that pivot .. one more reason could be as it was continuous 4th SAR hit without any profit .even if they would have seen it technically, it might have been difficult to accept it psychologically .... and its true .. learning the technical aspect of system and learning the psyche aspects are two different things ..
Give us(me) another chance and I promise we(I) wont let you down !!!
It would have been only newcomers like me who would have failed to see that pivot .. one more reason could be as it was continuous 4th SAR hit without any profit .even if they would have seen it technically, it might have been difficult to accept it psychologically .... and its true .. learning the technical aspect of system and learning the psyche aspects are two different things ..
Give us(me) another chance and I promise we(I) wont let you down !!!
I don't think anyone who is following your teachings (as I am) will agree with you when you say that all these months have been wasted. I always was a bad trader, till I came across your thread 'teaching a man to fish' and then this one. I can vouch for all here that we all have grown as traders financially and mentally all thanks to your methods. I think you will take away a part of our daily trading routines if you shut down this thread. On behalf of everyone here , I humbly request you not to do so.
Saint will not shut this thread nor will he stop posting. but what he actually wants to say is tht for how long we will remain dependent on each other.
very often confirming stops, pivots. He wants us to reach to a stage of maturity where we take decisions on our own.
He has served us the meal but we have to put it in our mouth.... and if u r not able to digest it..its ok...bring in some change(tweaks, ofcourse dont post here to spoil the magic of original). but i personally feel tht method is nicely profitable even without any tweak.
Dear Saint
if u want to test level of students of the method, stop posting levels for 20 or 25 days( not more thn tht). Hope fellow students dont get angry with me
kripal
very often confirming stops, pivots. He wants us to reach to a stage of maturity where we take decisions on our own.
He has served us the meal but we have to put it in our mouth.... and if u r not able to digest it..its ok...bring in some change(tweaks, ofcourse dont post here to spoil the magic of original). but i personally feel tht method is nicely profitable even without any tweak.
Dear Saint
if u want to test level of students of the method, stop posting levels for 20 or 25 days( not more thn tht
). Hope fellow students dont get angry with mekripal
Saint, you are a perfectionist trying to achieve something which is very difficult. I think you want each and everyone to see the pivots equally and want to take same action at same time without being hinted or told. I think some of the students here also are thinking that way. But in real world its impossible. It is the normal crowd behavior. People see same things differently. We have people from different backgrounds, different way thinking, different age groups and logic all trying to understand and use your method. I dont consider myself to be dumb but still find method confused at certain conditions, why because everyone sees things differently and markets exposes us to different conditions each and every day. Unless its a pure mechanical system people can not behave same however hard they are trained. You can expect people to reach Almost mechanical level.
I missed that pivot today, but I did not get furious or disappointed that I missed it or someone did not report it. I tried to visualize that pivot later time and still found not fit to be called pivot. So I stayed with my initial SAR at the bottom and reversed at bottom. I am happy that I followed the system even though I missed the profitable pivot. The people who located that pivot fast would definitely make more money than the one who did not find it. So its our responsibility to get used to the system and make more profits. If we fail sometimes we will make less money that it. If we are totally bad students then we will fail badly. That is the general rule anywhere. Please do not get upset that we are not up to the mark. We are trying our best. We want to make more and more profits everyday. Sideways market conditions always going to make us loose some money. As long as we are carrying light positions and based on previous profits we will be fine. I am not under any anxiety at all. Why because of the great system you taught and showed me. All though it would have been better if I had seen the pivot and reacted, but I am learning, freshman in this thread and I am getting more and more comfortable everyday. This thread taught me how to manage money and risk along with how to flow with the market. So please do not hurt us by thinking of closing this thread. Because that makes us loose our confidence, heart and feel that we failed. We are here in this thread from different parts of the world getting profited just because of you.
We all love you, sincerely
I missed that pivot today, but I did not get furious or disappointed that I missed it or someone did not report it. I tried to visualize that pivot later time and still found not fit to be called pivot. So I stayed with my initial SAR at the bottom and reversed at bottom. I am happy that I followed the system even though I missed the profitable pivot. The people who located that pivot fast would definitely make more money than the one who did not find it. So its our responsibility to get used to the system and make more profits. If we fail sometimes we will make less money that it. If we are totally bad students then we will fail badly. That is the general rule anywhere. Please do not get upset that we are not up to the mark. We are trying our best. We want to make more and more profits everyday. Sideways market conditions always going to make us loose some money. As long as we are carrying light positions and based on previous profits we will be fine. I am not under any anxiety at all. Why because of the great system you taught and showed me. All though it would have been better if I had seen the pivot and reacted, but I am learning, freshman in this thread and I am getting more and more comfortable everyday. This thread taught me how to manage money and risk along with how to flow with the market. So please do not hurt us by thinking of closing this thread. Because that makes us loose our confidence, heart and feel that we failed. We are here in this thread from different parts of the world getting profited just because of you.
We all love you, sincerely
Why don't you guys keep the zig-zag indicator on the charts This will show the pivots clearly One can even alter the %change parameter (5% by default) to distinguish between major & minor pivots.
I'm not familiar with his recent systems, but from what i know of Saint's pivot method, the pivots are used only as backward reference (for entry, exit & stops) If that is still the case, then the zigzag should work fine.
Regards
I'm not familiar with his recent systems, but from what i know of Saint's pivot method, the pivots are used only as backward reference (for entry, exit & stops) If that is still the case, then the zigzag should work fine.
Regards
There were many posts after the mess up ,some claiming that people here are looking for only tips and not working hard, some wondering how people missed the pivot,but nobody really has gone to the main cause of this confusion.
Saint, people here have great respect for you and quite understandably so as you are the guiding light for many careers and many lives.People take your words as a gospel truth and are some times scared to express their opinion if they disagree with you. I am sure everybody noticed the pivot but the big confusion was as under :
Lets go back to the initial pages where you explained the new system.I am quoting as underpost no 6545)
The Art of Trail Stopping using Pivots,I thought is obvious........but I think one needs to repeat it.It has been discussed at great lengths in the "Teach a Man to...."thread,but just to remind those of us who may have forgotten.
1.An uptrend is made up of higher pivot lows and highs......important is the lows in an uptrend.
2.A downtrend is made up of lower pivot highs and lows.......the focus is on the highs in a downtrend.
3.In an uptrend,everytime we make new highs,we bring our stops to the low of the recent pivot low.
EXCEPTION:Sometimes,in an uptrend,price makes a higher pivot low and does not go to new highs,and instead goes sideways for a period of time,or pulls back up and forms a clear cut lower high,but it must be visually obvious,.........and then falls through.Stops are therefore still at recent pivot lows although newer highs are not made...........But in both instances,the rule and the exception,those points are very visually obvious.
Though these are golden words but they here give an impression that in an uptrend,you must have a new high to consider the PL as stop and reverse point OR as EXCEPTION you must have a sideways movement for period of time or pull back and form lower PH,so in short a few sideways bar.
Now lets come to todays pivot,the mkt did not make new high and also broke down immediately in next bar after PL without making sideways movement on 60 min bars. So though everyone saw the pivot very clearly,there was a confusion that as per the new rules we reverse here or not.
And Saint very few people will be bold to come out with this Q after the earlier confusion on pivots,major,minor etc etc with the fear that ther will be scoffed at.And very few will take a contrary position to what they perceive as your new system rules. I did find something amiss and posted a question .
So the confusion is genuine,and most are working on these systems,have improved in their trading and they had also seen ythis pivot low quite well. So Saint dont think that your efforts are waste,they are highly useful in shaping a few successful trading careers.
Give benefit of doubt to this genuine confusion and carry on the great work Saint.
Respectlfully yours,
Smart_trade
Saint, people here have great respect for you and quite understandably so as you are the guiding light for many careers and many lives.People take your words as a gospel truth and are some times scared to express their opinion if they disagree with you. I am sure everybody noticed the pivot but the big confusion was as under :
Lets go back to the initial pages where you explained the new system.I am quoting as under
post no 6545)The Art of Trail Stopping using Pivots,I thought is obvious........but I think one needs to repeat it.It has been discussed at great lengths in the "Teach a Man to...."thread,but just to remind those of us who may have forgotten.
1.An uptrend is made up of higher pivot lows and highs......important is the lows in an uptrend.
2.A downtrend is made up of lower pivot highs and lows.......the focus is on the highs in a downtrend.
3.In an uptrend,everytime we make new highs,we bring our stops to the low of the recent pivot low.
EXCEPTION:Sometimes,in an uptrend,price makes a higher pivot low and does not go to new highs,and instead goes sideways for a period of time,or pulls back up and forms a clear cut lower high,but it must be visually obvious,.........and then falls through.Stops are therefore still at recent pivot lows although newer highs are not made...........But in both instances,the rule and the exception,those points are very visually obvious.
Though these are golden words but they here give an impression that in an uptrend,you must have a new high to consider the PL as stop and reverse point OR as EXCEPTION you must have a sideways movement for period of time or pull back and form lower PH,so in short a few sideways bar.
Now lets come to todays pivot,the mkt did not make new high and also broke down immediately in next bar after PL without making sideways movement on 60 min bars. So though everyone saw the pivot very clearly,there was a confusion that as per the new rules we reverse here or not.
And Saint very few people will be bold to come out with this Q after the earlier confusion on pivots,major,minor etc etc with the fear that ther will be scoffed at.And very few will take a contrary position to what they perceive as your new system rules. I did find something amiss and posted a question .
So the confusion is genuine,and most are working on these systems,have improved in their trading and they had also seen ythis pivot low quite well. So Saint dont think that your efforts are waste,they are highly useful in shaping a few successful trading careers.
Give benefit of doubt to this genuine confusion and carry on the great work Saint.
Respectlfully yours,
Smart_trade
R
Oh Dear, I hope this is your way of pulling our legs....
But Sir, if you pull so hard, we will all fall down!
I VOW that if anything happens to this thread, I will stop visiting this website, as your threads are the ONLY reason for my REGULAR visits here.
Agar is thread ko kisse na aankh utha kar bhi deekha, to aankh nooch loonga
But Sir, if you pull so hard, we will all fall down!
I VOW that if anything happens to this thread, I will stop visiting this website, as your threads are the ONLY reason for my REGULAR visits here.
Agar is thread ko kisse na aankh utha kar bhi deekha, to aankh nooch loonga
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