Learning to catch High Probability Breakouts

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amitrandive

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Dear Jaganji,
Gaps signifies important ‘event’ happened and it’s a reaction of that event that led to price opened significantly up or down.
Technically exhaustion gaps can be expected in strong trend, but cant be predicted when it will occur. Whenever stock run nonstop for many weeks experts say about 18weeks or more, such stocks first build climaxes, with gapup opening and huge volumes. These gaps are in final stage of stock cycle and called exhaustion gaps. It signified exhaustion of the trend.
Gap does have a role in Technical forecasting, but you cant predict gaps. Now the gap occurring near to base formation for accumulation/distribution are called as breakaway gaps. So they should occur at start of the trend or in the middle areas of price trend where price often consolidates for few days or so.
Regarding sunpharma, one of my critic who I really admire, is out of stock when sunpharma appeared in news. Specially Sanghvi beating ambani in wealth…such type of news….He just got recent quarters results and seen EPS falling…PAT falling…And tell you what the guy sold at 1050 in april…
One fine day, sun opened gap down, with largest volume ever in its history…and this made me understand…yes there are signs of weakness building settling in…In may stock tried to fill the gap but failed…again it made second gap down and filled the same with almost no volume comparison as seen on first gap…
So in short I don’t understand your rationale for going long on this stock…let it first mark a bottom…it will build base…until it’s a ‘V’ shaped recovery…let the volume comes in…
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AnilJi

Thanks for this reply.

I think Jaganji's original question is to whether we can or cannot predict gaps and take a trade based on that data(maybe he is suggesting options data)
 

newuser_RK

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Thanks all for your efforts. Need views regarding money management.
Strategy high risk high reward.
Trade types breakout
Total number of stocks 20
Mix of mid, small cap
Max size of trade 2500
Max permissible loss per stock 500, will be out if its a clear break failure
Max permissible loss on portfolio 10% post which I stop trading.
Time period 1 to 2 months and so on.
 
AnilJi

Thanks for this reply.

I think Jaganji's original question is to whether we can or cannot predict gaps and take a trade based on that data(maybe he is suggesting options data)
Dear amit,

ok... i was posting in wrong reference....With Options data yes you may get hint something in building up...

But you need to analyse deep, how the options are getting written...i mean OI increasing with higher IV's(implied volatility)...as higher IV's are sought by options sellers...
Generally gaps are seen on results day, where it beats the expectations or got short of it...So Many options traders start to trade it with strategies...So its a mix data on options...Anyways i previously used to track data, but from few years i solely rely on price action, and moving averages...only to trade...also i mostly trade in cash segment...

So, any fellow members trading 'extensively' on options is in better position to comment on it...
 

amitrandive

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Thanks all for your efforts. Need views regarding money management.
Strategy high risk high reward.
Trade types breakout
Total number of stocks 20
Mix of mid, small cap
Max size of trade 2500
Max permissible loss per stock 500, will be out if its a clear break failure
Max permissible loss on portfolio 10% post which I stop trading.
Time period 1 to 2 months and so on.
Money management is a very vast topic.
Any portfolio needs monitoring on a regular basis.
Ideally this includes the use of an Excel sheet/other softwares to monitor your portfolio reward and risk.

A useful link

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/recent/money_management_in_17_steps-676651.html
 
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indianbank

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Trade types breakout
Total number of stocks 20
Mix of mid, small cap
Max size of trade 2500
Max permissible loss per stock 500, will be out if its a clear break failure
Max permissible loss on portfolio 10% post which I stop trading.
Time period 1 to 2 months and so on.
Thats great..... i wish all the best to you..
Time period also good...

i think your capital is 50000 rs... thats also good for beginning ...
If you get 15000 rs in 1 year(30%).. then you are in the way of great traders of all time...:clap:
 

newuser_RK

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Thats great..... i wish all the best to you..
Time period also good...

i think your capital is 50000 rs... thats also good for beginning ...
If you get 15000 rs in 1 year(30%).. then you are in the way of great traders of all time...:clap:
Thanks for the encouragement but I am still confused whether to buy right at the break out level or post retracement. But buy at bo will give a poor risk reward but it will guarantee a entry whereas retracement buying will give a better risk reward but it won't guarantee an entry.
So if stock becomes a rocket post bo you miss if you wait for a retracement, and if it falls you are gurantteed loss in both cases
 

indianbank

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there are 1000s of trading systems... each trading system having different entry and exit

1.here now discussion is Breakout trading...
Breakout system is a aggressive system... I prefer a aggressive entry... i never look for any correction because this is a aggressive system....Breakout occurs at peaks... so no questing of waiting for a correction... Grab the stock any any price... If system is aggressive them there is no place for any defensive buying.

If you want to buy on dips then you can choose some other systems which are particularly defensive in nature.....
(this are my views... i dont want to misguide fellow traders knowingly/unknowingly....)
If you get a better reply then just ignore my message.. thank you
 
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