Real Trading Logs by Tamil Trader ( A new born baby )

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Tamil trader

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Most of brokerage houses are giving job to getting new clients and do trading in thier accounts to generate brokerages :D ....its another fraud type plays ...if any doubt please give one interview to any brokerage :) ....:)
I agree. already one brokerage firm asked me for the commodity dealer job. but, before giving the job, they asked a simple question.

If i give the job to you, how many clients can you refer?

because, They are seeing it as a chicken proiler shop. if one chicken dies, they will always ready to murder another chicken. traders and chickens are same in their view.

If any loss comes to the clients , they will use the market language.

Sir, market is very volatile.
Sir, market sudddenly bounced back
Sir, stop loss hitted first and target achieved later
Sir, margin is not enough
Sir, if crude is not good for you, you should change the product
Sir, your analysis is great. but you didnt follow properly. so please invest again
Sir, evening american data is the reason for your loss. so you trade in the morning only
Sir, before placing the order, market went up. what to do?
Sir, if you have waited for full day, your account would be in the profit. but you cut with losses in the morning

Etc, etc, etc. they need clients and brokerage only. they are not giving proper guidance. eventhough if they give the guidance, they are not responsible for the loss. then, why do you give the guidance?
 

Tamil trader

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Im sorry TT.

I want show solution for u.. But not now. Will show all solution soon with complete proof.

Dont loose confiendence in trading.

This is the best way to mint money.

Surely i will help u. u r worrying about 4L.... but After leving my sw job (6L) package i choose my career as trading. in 3 years i lost more than 30L. This is not fake. Im ready to show all with proofs. i kept all my gold in bank. i took money 6 to10 rs intrest. deafulter of all banks. now also i dont have any credit card. Still my score negative in CIBIL.

But after sitting 2 months on amibroker i got source.. and i have stopped positioal trading.. now only MCX and intraday.

Almost i have cleared more than 70% of debits.. except banks.

I want to get all my money back with intrest from this market. Looting money from market who looted from me... legally..

And there is no better indicator.. or moving averages, patterns etc.. all are waste.. better follow trend for short time.. book and exit with small sl.

All the best.. keep hope.

My loss is 4 Lakhs within 45 days.

But total loss for the last 7 month is 35 Lacs. I already sold one home for settling to some persons who gave me more pressure


If you are able to show me a good way from trading, this will be really helpful for me to recover the loss.


If you have solution,
 

VJAY

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My loss is 4 Lakhs within 45 days.

But total loss for the last 7 month is 35 Lacs. I already sold one home for settling to some persons who gave me more pressure


If you are able to show me a good way from trading, this will be really helpful for me to recover the loss.


If you have solution,
:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::mad: Ohh
 

onlinegtrash

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@TT

you are an inspiration and at times scary too!

Have you figured out your mistakes for your previous losses?

am still a learner... I have a play account with small amount of money in it...
but your losses are scary... hope the trading pressure won't break you down.

I have heard of traders recovering from bankruptcy in biographies,
hope you will turn out one such one, instead of becoming one of the statistics of people who got wiped out by markets.

good luck!
 
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I am also not so good in Commodity Trading. I am in Commodity market from 2010, still i lost about Rs.70,000/- (its so big to me, still i have no house to sell, living in rented house with family). First i trade in copper which gave me losses only, but now getting recovered from my losses, by taking 10 to 15 points in Crude daily. I get average of Rs.10,000 to 15,000 from my trading from October 2013, just simply using 315 strategy along with GANN's square. Now i stick on that strategy. I will close my trading when my target / stoploss hit. My capital is only Rs.35000/-. I am a sub broker also so % of brokerage will come back to me. So make your own strategy, stick on it, try take 10 to 15-20 points daily, end of month you will get a good profit. I want to say special thanks to tamil trader who makes me to trade with Crude (Crude oil is human) and also thanks to all members in Trader Ji including moderators, for helping me to recover from my loses. Hope that all members in this forum will be recovered from loses(if yes) soon (i know how the loses hurt us).
 
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looser89

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you can trade with others person when you have fully confidence on your strategy. there are some rules for trading peacefully when you trading some others money
1. you have a highly accurate strategy which is give positive return at end of day.no one have patience to wait few months for positive return
2. do not give fixed return type guarantee on investment. because nobody know how much he can earn or loss in market
3. fix a stoploss of 10% of total investment if it hit quit trading
4.tell your client about risk by investing in stock market and be transparent
5.a good trader know by his profit not by his knowledge .no one judge trader on basis of knowledge he have.so if you are loosing money you are a bad trader although you have good knowledge and discipline.
6. you should practice with small amount and try to remain positive at particular time ie end of day or end of week
7 after gaining confidence by making consistent profit. remember consistent profit is backbone of good strategy and trader
hope this will help you. this is my personal experience
 

madank

Market participant
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My loss is 4 Lakhs within 45 days.

But total loss for the last 7 month is 35 Lacs. I already sold one home for settling to some persons who gave me more pressure


If you are able to show me a good way from trading, this will be really helpful for me to recover the loss.


If you have solution,
Hi Tamil Trader,

Please bear with me on this long and honest post. I tend not to post much in traderji - just a silent follower but this one made me come out of my shell. I exactly know what you are going through but a hard look on oneself is necessary.

First and foremost, congratulate yourself for being brutally honest with yourself and taking the responses in this forum in a positive stride.

You need to ask some questions to yourself..please don't answer them here. But just answer it to yourselves.

1. Why did you sell your house to fund the trading losses? What was the necessity?

2. Why do you want to come back to trading pledging another house?

I would like to share some pointers here. They might not be coherent enough and thoughts could flow from here and there. If i have a magical syringe to infiltrate these pointers in to your brain, i would gladly do so. But, please understand that my intention is to genuinely help.

1. Taking ownership of losses - No one is responsible for our losses except us. Not the market, not the system, not the people who gave us the money to trade. We have to realize that we were wrong, we had taken too much risk, and we were employing trading methods that did not work. Period. No point in blaming outside "manipulators" of markets or bad luck; We, as traders, need to accept that we have completely and utterly made a hash of things (really no choice..this is not the luxury we can afford). In a job scenario, we can blame others and get away with it but not in trading.

2. Stop trading right away - a trader might not like to hear it but this is absolutely necessary.

Take the time to process what had happened, figure out what was done wrong, and make radical changes in the approach to markets.
Jumping from one system to another will not cut it. Optimizing the system based on last 6 month of mkt performance would not cut it. Just a small time-based break would soothe off the mind a bit..Most of the times, this should be enough to come back as a different trader.

3. Refocus and relearn - Use the time away from trading to work on other aspects of your life and career. Create alternate streams of income so that one doesn't depend on trading income alone. 'Depending on trading income' in the initial stages of trading is probably the biggest sin in trading.

Trader should try to focus on building the self-image with other aspects of life not just with trading.In doing that, he can remain opportunity-focused and not regret-focused. Please stay focused on what you could control, not on what you couldn't;

4. See the setback as an opportunity to bounce back - I am sure the loss was very painful .Make sure that you would never go through such an episode again. Try to create a new balance between trading and the rest of your life so that you would never be dependent upon trading results for your happiness and fulfillment.

5. Handling depression - a trader need to figure out how to handle depression..more so, a losing trader. It is better to handle it heads on than brushing the episode aside and continuing to lose money in a state of denial.

Depressed feelings are a normal response to loss: the loss of money, the loss of dreams. Sometimes you have to go through that loss before you can come out the other side as a different person, one who has learned from the experience. So, please stay positive.

6. Get out of need to make money mindset - If a trader gets attached to the need to trade and make money--and once his perfectionistic voice of "I should have bought there" and "I should have sold here" in hindsight kicks in --he is no longer grounded in markets. It's when those frustrations build over time, becoming self-reinforcing, that traders lose discipline and focus and eventually perish. Mental rehearsals would help in these cases.

Please have a look at my recent comment on Zerodha's blog about mental rehearsals

http://zerodha.com/z-connect/zerodh...ent-returning-incredible-returns#comment-7632

By staying physically relaxed in one's breathing and posture and by mentally rehearsing a mindset in which it is OK to miss moves--there will always be future opportunity--traders can prevent many of these train wrecks.

7. Trading too large for our account size -

Swing in the equity curve almost always is proportional to the negative effect on trader's psyche. Higher the swing, higher the negative effect on pysche and the vice-versa.

When we trade size that is too large for our account size, we subject ourselves to drastic swings in P/L, and that subjects us to drastic swings in mood. In turn, we then make trading mistakes that bring a negative expectancy to each trade, and the size eventually blows us up.

As they say, in trading, if we create drama in your returns, we'll create trauma--and that's how trading careers end.

8. Understand failure - Knowing the worst-case outcome if this trade happens to fail can reduce the fear inflicted by a previous failure from an unseen event. Black swan events aren’t common, so it’s not reasonable to fear them every time you approach a setup. Weigh the potential for loss, and if it’s outweighed by the potential for gain, the probabilities are favorable enough to participate.

9. Psychologically, it's healthy to experience defeat and then overcome it. - It strengthens you to battle back and win. If you lose the wrong way--by taking so much risk that you can't come back for the day, week, month, or year--you rob yourself of the victory that could be yours by going from red to green.

10. Make a choice to move forward - All of us have the ability to choose, whether it’s our career or our spouse or our attitude. Maybe your fear somehow gives you comfort right now, because it’s been a habit you’ve allowed. That won’t cut it though, so it’s time to change. Eventually, you either decide to get back on the right path, or you’re completely done trading. Make your choice and get on with it—and don’t look back.

Hope it helps,
Madan
 
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fxgood

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Hi

I have 13+ years of almost full time experience in trading markets and i started in mid of 2000 in trading US commodity futures and IMM futures for one of my NRI friend whom invested some basic account at that time to trade his accounts and later i started to trade on fx and mostly on mcx commodities after Indian exchanges becomes sufficiently liquid to manage decent size of funds on them.

So i far i never lost any of my investments in this speculative markets, worst case of drag down were there were it happened when i wantedly bets my gains to amplify the gains there was both jackpot and failures in such attempts and best real time performances of mine was around 380% gain on mcx and 700 % gain on Fx

I have some very simple strategies most of simple statistical basics with focus more on risk and position management wrt to fund size used and i am firm believer of Random walk hypothesis but in practice i found market is semi random so have to take hints from EMH :D

I wish to contribute some strategies and help traders here again if my time permits to offer analysis in between my trading and other task i am handling at moment
 
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